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I am looking at SW codex, and the input of options for razorback includes "lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun" for the same cost of twin-linked AC or LC.

Having a rhino-chasis sitting around, I have no idea of how to convert it. Not even a single picture or illustration in the codex to use as reference.

Any help or past links I missed?

Meanwhile, a little history:

Razorbacks are known to sport the broadest range of weaponry of any Space Marine vehicle. This is perhaps due to their recent incorporation into the Space Marine armoury. As the Razorback is less established than such legendary tanks as the Rhino and the Predator, there are inevitably fewer taboos to be broken through reinterpreting the design.

The oldest pattern of Razorback is the Mark 1 or "Stronos" - a dedicated heavy infantry slayer that combines the firepower of twin-linked plasma guns and a single lascannon. Details of the dire events that married so powerful an armament to so lightly armoured a vehicle can now only be speculated upon, as all records from that time have been lost or sealed.

Despite its early successes, the Mark 1 is now an increasingly rare sight through the Imperium. Some records suggest that this could be due to an insurmountable design flaw, namely that the Razorback's hull simply could not bear the strain of the immense power its armament required. Regardless, the Mark 1 remains an honoured ancestor to the patterns that came after and it is treated with due reverence by those Chapters fortunate enough to still maintain one.

I saw one guy who took the TL Lascannon that comes with the set and only used one on one side and then in place of the second lascannon, put two plasmaguns (which looked like the handheld plasma guns from an IG command sprue). It wasn't symmetrical but still looked pretty cool and quite clean

One LC on one side and twin plasma guns on the other... Consider the calibre of plasma cannon... Hm...

Thanks!

A conversion I saw was carding over the razorback weapon mount to make a mini tuttet, with the single Las Cannon sticking out of it. The T/L Plas was then mounted to a Hatch like a Storm Bolter.
Made it easy for him to remove either weapon when destroyed...and it gave his T/L Plas an extra few inches of range being at the front of the vehicle and not turret mounted to the back end.

IMHO this also is one of the failings I see with Codeci. This vehicle is described as the earliest version, with Chapters lucky to even have 1 of these reveared units.
Yet they get spammed all over the place. To match the fluff this type should be a "1 Razorback in you Army may be upgraded for xx points."

Back in the olden days, there was an official GW kit for this variant - the old rhino with a metal hull top and turret. The turret had a central lascannon and a plasma gun on each side - looked balanced, but perhaps made the twin-linking a little odd.

But given the current plastics, i like G3N0X1D3's idea, especially as in my opinion these weapons shouldn't have recoil.

dkellyj wrote:and it gave his T/L Plas an extra few inches of range being at the front of the vehicle and not turret mounted to the back end.

Is that still relevant?

And thanks for all three posters. I'll go find some left-over plasma gun kits to put it together... Should be plenty.

Clang wrote:Back in the olden days, there was an official GW kit for this variant - the old rhino with a metal hull top and turret. The turret had a central lascannon and a plasma gun on each side - looked balanced, but perhaps made the twin-linking a little odd.

But given the current plastics, i like G3N0X1D3's idea, especially as in my opinion these weapons shouldn't have recoil.

Yup, I actually have that lascannon/plasma gun weapon in a pile of bits. Its pretty neat looking, yet I never found something to stick it on. Ive got an idea for a strike force SM build thats been floating in my head for awhile. Maybe for that.


Also as far as fluff, you can never bring fluff into the actual game, it just breaks. Every army has fluff points about every unit, but to actually win games we spam the best stuff.

Back in 2nd edition, when the Razorback was first created, the only turret configuration was the Las/Twin plas. It had a marine turret gunner, and a symmetrical plas/las/plas configuration:



In 3rd and 4th edition codexes, the razorback was changed to have a remotely operated turret, and to have Twin Heavy Bolter, or Twin Lascannon variations only. 5th Edition brought in Twin Assault Cannon and Heavy Flamer versions, as well as bowing to popular pressure (and making a reference in the fluff section) to return the las/plas version to active use. As it turned out, what was a bow to old fluff turned out to be one of the most effective turret armaments. There also exists a multimelta turret available from forgeworld, with rules in IA2.

As for modern versions of the turret, the most common I see is the asymmetric conversion of the twinlinked lascannon turret, with one lascannon cut off, and two plasma guns affixed to the empty space. Below is my Blood Angels army. It's a small pic I know, but all five razorbacks use this method:



Here's someone else's conversion:



found in the thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/288616.page

Those are just BRILLIANT helps guys! Now I have some brief idea about where to start.

Thank you very much!!

GCMandrake wrote:Back in 2nd edition, when the Razorback was first created, the only turret configuration was the Las/Twin plas. It had a marine turret gunner, and a symmetrical plas/las/plas configuration:

Yea thats the one Ive got. Its retro but still kindda neat

I have a similar conversion ot the one GC posted, I will throw up some pics when I get home later today. Basically the difference between the one posted and mine is that I utilize more of the original lascannon mount. Pics to come.

Catyrpelius wrote:I have a similar conversion ot the one GC posted, I will throw up some pics when I get home later today. Basically the difference between the one posted and mine is that I utilize more of the original lascannon mount. Pics to come.

Count on it. Wait and follow the great samples!

and it gave his T/L Plas an extra few inches of range being at the front of the vehicle and not turret mounted to the back end.

Is that still relevant?

You measure range (and firing arc) from the weapon on a vehicle. While not a big deal with the lascannon (48" range) those extra few inches can make the difference not only in getting the shot in, but also staying out of assault and/or ramming range from your enemy while still shooting him.

You measure range (and firing arc) from the weapon on a vehicle. While not a big deal with the lascannon (48" range) those extra few inches can make the difference not only in getting the shot in, but also staying out of assault and/or ramming range from your enemy while still shooting him.

That's exactly why I think it's irrelevant. The RZs main weapon is suppose to be fired from the main turret, and the "making the difference" you are talking about is actually something the model design prevents from happening.