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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge



Norfolk (the UK one)

Calling any Orks! How strict is the 'Red Paint Job' rule?

A few years back I dimly recall that there was a specific line in the Ork 'dex along the lines of if you want to use the rule, you have to paint the model red.

Firstly, is this rule still there in the current edition?

Secondly, a friend of mine in a game a while back had 2 burna-track things. One was red the other just undercoated. After I shot the red one back to Mork and Gork he proceeded to swap it for the undercoated one about 2 feet away and claimed THAT one now had a red paint job.

As we have a fairly relaxed group I let it go but where do you, the community, draw the line with this kinda thing?

Cheers
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Madison, WI

If it ain't red... it ain't red. *unless* he told you it was red at the beginning of the game (I'm talking about the undercoated one).

There is no standard... some people put a red stripe, some paint the whole vehicle. I play Bad Moons and I never use the upgrade because red isn't one of my clan's colors, so I just live without the extra inch. I did think about painting the tires red though... but my Evil Suns friend objected strenuously.

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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge



Norfolk (the UK one)

TBH I cant remember if I asked him so my bad there. Think I was assuming the old rule was still current, untill he picked it up and replaced it with the dead one.
   
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Syracuse, NY

Not that strict - if you pay for it make sure they know. Maybe his Orks are color blind and the blue ones look red?

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Fixture of Dakka





Chicago

I would say that's a really weird thing to do. He either:

1) Paid for the upgrade on both vehicles and was only using it on the one that was actually red.

2) Only paid for the upgrade on one and cheated by switching which one it was.

3) Didn't pay for the upgrade on either and is under the mistaken impression it's free if you paint the vehicle red.

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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge



Norfolk (the UK one)

Like I said, we're a fairly relaxed group so Im sure there was no deliberate points saving going on. If the rule that states the vehicle MUST be red to qualify for the extra move has been removed from the current 'dex then no worries. He must've just liked his paint job lol
   
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Regular Dakkanaut






When I used to play orks, I painted the vehicles rust colored overall, with crude red stripes painted on them. I think thats good enough. If the model was unpainted I wouldnt have a problem with him using red paint job, but if it was a finished model I think it should have some red on it somewhere.
   
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konort ranger wrote:Calling any Orks! How strict is the 'Red Paint Job' rule?

A few years back I dimly recall that there was a specific line in the Ork 'dex along the lines of if you want to use the rule, you have to paint the model red.

Firstly, is this rule still there in the current edition?

Secondly, a friend of mine in a game a while back had 2 burna-track things. One was red the other just undercoated. After I shot the red one back to Mork and Gork he proceeded to swap it for the undercoated one about 2 feet away and claimed THAT one now had a red paint job.

As we have a fairly relaxed group I let it go but where do you, the community, draw the line with this kinda thing?

Cheers


I have had friendly games where a person has told me that a SM had a lascannon, but he didn't have the model so he was using one with a heavy bolter. After I had killed one of his other lascannon models he swapped it out with the heavy bolter so the model would be represented correctly for the rest of the game.

Is this what your friend did? He hadn't finished painting the one vehicle so when the painted one was destroyed he just swapped it out to represent the red paint job on the remaining vehicle for the rest of the game.
   
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge



Norfolk (the UK one)

Yep. There was nowt but the undercoat on the 2nd vehicle.

Can I assume that the rule as I remember no longer exists in this incarnation of the Ork 'dex?
   
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Regular Dakkanaut






Unpainted models should be the first casualties, and I often swap the miniatures to keep as many painted ones as possible on the table, sounds like thats what your opponent was doing
   
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime







Red Paint Job is just the name of the upgrade.

How you represent it is up to you.

You can do it as a red paint job, paint the undercarrage red, paint it Blue (fer luck ya see) or have a grot with a sign (in orky green) saying "Dis won wot gotz da red paintz boss!".

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Regular Dakkanaut





You can even take a marker and dot some random part of the vehicle and say "the Orks got lazy and never finished it".

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Lord of the Fleet






Back when it had to be painted it was also a free upgrade. Taking the free upgrade and not painting really was taking the piss.

As long as you've got something that makes it clear to your opponent (racing stripes, flames, grot with sign, big exhaust, whatever) you'll be fine.
   
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Wicked Warp Spider






Ios

I'd say, it's about as strict as you're strict about other upgrades. You've got all the tools you need for making the upgrade a possibility (you should own a red-ish paint or be able to borrow one), so it's not quite like how Star Engines used to be in 3rd edition for Eldar, for example.

Essentially, if you demand that the Space Marines player has a good modelling representation of extra armour and that there's extra flaps attached to a Falcon with vectored engines, or that them Tau have pointy bits with pointier bits in 'em for flachette dischargers... well... if you aren't strict on that, you don't need to be strict about your paint job.

I do like Gwar!'s grot sign, however.

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You have to make sure the Grots sign is Blue or Green though, for added comedy!

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New York

Who cares if its red? Just so long as he made it clear beforehand that he bought the upgrade, its fine in my book.

You will run across "that guy" that won't let it go, but since the rulebook doesn't say it needs to red... Grot sign ftw.

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Oakland, CA -- U.S.A.

One of my co-workers paints the vehicles black and says his orks are color-blind.

/shrug

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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge



Norfolk (the UK one)

Massive love for the Grot sign, will have to tell him that one lol.

Many thanks for all the replies, cheers folks. Must learn to familiarise myself with more recent codex rules.

   
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If it says in their army list what has what its fine.
   
 
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