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Using the STC thread from B & C with my own modifications.

First: LAND RAIDER Harbringer
Cost: 235Pts.
BS: 4 FR: 14 SI: 14 RE: 14
Unit Type: Vehicle,Tank
Weapons:
-Sponson mounted reaper autocannons
-Hull mounted havoc launcher
Special Rules:
-Assault Vehicle
-PotMS (deamonic edition!)
Transport:
-12 models. Models in Terminator Armour count as two.
Access Points: 3
Fire Points: 0

Second: LAND RAIDER Warpstorm
Cost: 277 Pts.
BS: 4 FR: 14 SI: 14 RE: 14
Unit Type: Vehicle,Tank
Weapons:
-Sponson mounted reaper autocannons
-Hull mounted repeater (or normal) plasma cannons
Special Rules:
-Assault Vehicle
-PotMS (deamonic edition!)
Transport:
-12 models. Models in Terminator Armour count as two.
Access Points: 3
Fire Points: 0
Options: posession for 20 pts


thoughts?


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first is 235 points

Here's the question with most vehicle variants:

Why would you take these? What role do the fill?

As for specific questions:

AC's are really good for poping light vehicles... but TL-LC's do it better AND can pop heavy vehicles, so why would I want an AC version?

You can put a Havoc Launcher on a standard Chaos LR, so no real need to replace the HB.

Finally, why would you take reaper autocannons instead of just TL-AC's? The side sponsons on a LR obviously have the space for TL variants of guns (LC, huricane bolters) so why take the one with the reduced range?

EDIT:

Seeing your edit on the points for the first:

You're spending the same cost on the Harbringer as you are on a standard Chaos LR with a Havoc Launcher. So you're Spending the same points to get two lower range, lower str, lower versatility guns and the removal of a heavy bolter. Doesn't seem right.

If i want a new LR for chaos, it would have to have more transport capasity...

Gonna have to agree with Shrike. Not really seeing the point. Not that I don't like reaper autocannons - I just don't think they're better than lascannons for anything other than maybe wartrakk or vyper squadrons.

Shrike325 wrote:Here's the question with most vehicle variants:

Why would you take these? What role do the fill?

As for specific questions:

AC's are really good for poping light vehicles... but TL-LC's do it better AND can pop heavy vehicles, so why would I want an AC version?

You can put a Havoc Launcher on a standard Chaos LR, so no real need to replace the HB.

Finally, why would you take reaper autocannons instead of just TL-AC's? The side sponsons on a LR obviously have the space for TL variants of guns (LC, huricane bolters) so why take the one with the reduced range?

EDIT:

Seeing your edit on the points for the first:

You're spending the same cost on the Harbringer as you are on a standard Chaos LR with a Havoc Launcher. So you're Spending the same points to get two lower range, lower str, lower versatility guns and the removal of a heavy bolter. Doesn't seem right.

Good point on the havoc, this is cheaper than a standard chaos LR since it has a form of POTMS and also has a transport of 12

goggari wrote:If i want a new LR for chaos, it would have to have more transport capasity...

IT DOES

SM godhammers capacity:12
Chaos godhammer transport capacity:10

and i don't want to just make a chaos crusader...
BUT


Ok how about this?


LAND RAIDER
Cost: 250 Pts.
BS: 4 FR: 14 SI: 14 RE: 14
Unit Type: Vehicle,Tank
Wargear: Sponson mounted hurricane sonic blasters (or for Word bearers, screetching verses from the litanies of hate, ect.) and hull mount twin multi melta (CSM can't have that pintle mounted)
Special Rules:
-Assault Vehicle
-PotMS
Transport:
-16 models. Models in Terminator Armour count as two.
Access Points: 3
Fire Points: 0
Options: posession for 20 pts

Hurricane sonic gives them 9 twin linked S4 AP5 shots at 24" and the multimelta helps with the tank popping. now? oh and trans cap is 16

I agree with Shrike about the previous two and it seems to me as though you just have made that Chaos Crusader, which is infact over costed compared to the existing.

I don't believe Chaos should have PotMS (Possession is their equivalent) and I personally believe they should have more original variants than a spikey crusader.

Just my opinion, but neither do it for me tbh...

IronfrontAlex wrote:LAND RAIDER
Cost: 250 Pts.
BS: 4 FR: 14 SI: 14 RE: 14
Unit Type: Vehicle,Tank
Wargear: Sponson mounted hurricane sonic blasters (or for Word bearers, screetching verses from the litanies of hate, ect.) and hull mount twin multi melta (CSM can't have that pintle mounted)
Special Rules:
-Assault Vehicle
-PotMS
Transport:
-16 models. Models in Terminator Armour count as two.
Access Points: 3
Fire Points: 0
Options: posession for 20 pts

Hurricane sonic gives them 9 twin linked S4 AP5 shots at 24" and the multimelta helps with the tank popping. now? oh and trans cap is 16

Awesome.

A little too awesome, in fact. Also, yes, I don't think chaos get PoTMS. Still, I would definitely use one of these. Good n' solid, Good, diverse firepower. great delivery system for gangs of termis. Also possessed marines. So many possessed marines.

Thanks! well the options really limit for chaos since there are already assualying, normal and shooty land raiders, so critisize all you'd like you can't really make an origional one with existing weapons. the hurricane sonic is something i will probably make since i play word bearers! and ya we ca replace machine spirit with posession for free maybe?

No bs4, no potms, keep it chaos and go for deamonic possession. Shave 20 points off, or make deamonic possession free.

We need some throwbacks towards 2nd ed with specific deamonic powers for land raiders. Make land raiders a dedicated transport, squad inside must have the same mark as the land raider.

Nurgle infestation: reroll glance/pen effects like a venerable dread.

Khorne: something like a deffrolla, say d6 str 6 power weapon hits on tank shocked units.

Slaneesh: tl blastmaster or tl doomsirens on the sponsoons.

Tzeentch: hurricane bolters with inferno bolts