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Ok so i decided to start a Necron army and have been looking over the Codex, on reading the we'll be back rule i was left a bit usure of how it works so here is my question.

If a damaged Necron can't make the we'll be back roll because for example it is more than 6" away from another of the same type does that model get removed from play or does it stay on the table until it becomes eligible to make the roll, ie: an appropriate model moves within range?

This all started as a friend miss understood the rule about the resurection orb thinking a model could get back up when outside 6" of the lord

please help clear this up for me

Thank you.

As far as I know, at the time the model goes down, if there are still survivors in the squad, it will get to roll for WBB. If a squad is all downed, and there are no friendly units of the same type withing 6 inches AT THAT POINT, then the unit will all be removed as casualties.

I think.

The resurrection orb doesnt effect WBB in any way - it prevents your models from being removed immediately when they are either attacked with power weapons or Str x2 toughness attacks. The orb means you get to make the WBB roll with the normal rules - not outwith the range of the lord.

Bear in mind, only 1 "alive" necron has to be withing 6 inches of the lord for it's whole squad to benefit from its effects. (This is in the FAQ).

WBB requires the model to be necron, not killed by insta death or cc attacks allowing no save, AND have another model of the same kind within 6". A orb overrides the instadeath and cc section, but still requires other models of type within range. You also make the WBB roles at the end of each player turn, any that fail are removed, or if you wish can be teleported via monolith for a second chance. If you don't have the chance for a roll then the models are dead and gone. No waiting around till later. Also keep in mind this is when you check for phase out. Immediately after your WBB roles.

Isnt WBB done at the beginning of the Necron's player turn?

yea, start of every necron turn...wich makes more sense, often you wont take casulties in your own turn...or shouldnt anyhow.

I believe the wording on WBB does actually require a failed check in order to remove a model. So, strictly speaking, a downed model outside of 6" doesn't make a check and therefor doesn't fail, so it can "wait" until eligible.

But, from my experience, everyone interprets "not allowed to make a check" as a subset of "failed", so the model is removed. That makes way more sense, plus by this strict reading of WBB, a model killed by a power weapon or S 2x T would simply remain on the board for the entire game. So, the board can get very cluttered with sleeping necrons.

The Necron codex state that only "eligible" Necron models can attempt WBB. Thought the codex doesn't specifically say to remove the models, that is the way I have always played it thinking that if a Necron unit is ineligible it can't attempt WBB and so is removed after all WBB rolls have been made.

The reason WBB is done at the beginning of the Necron turn is that a Necron unit that is falling back or consolidates towards a downed Necron model of the same type can grant that model a WBB roll.

First of all, requirements for the Orb and for WBB are different. WBB requires the damaged model to be within 6" of a model of the same type, ie it's done on a model by model basis. Orb only requires one model from the entire unit to be within 6" of an active Orb and the entire unit gets the Orb benefits. But those don't matter unless the model is eligible for WBB.

And yes, damaged models that are not eligible for WBB are removed from the table, as not being eligible for WBB is the same as failing WBB, just like not being able to get a save due to weapon AP is the same as failing a save. Once upon a time, GW included it in the FAQ, for some reason they left it out this time around.

don_mondo wrote:First of all, requirements for the Orb and for WBB are different. WBB requires the damaged model to be within 6" of an undamaged model of the same type, ie it's done on a model by model basis. Orb only requires one undamaged model from the entire unit to be within 6" of an active Orb and the entire unit gets the Orb benefits. But those don't matter unless the model is eligible for WBB.

And yes, damaged models that are not eligible for WBB are removed from the table, as not being eligible for WBB is the same as failing WBB, just like not being able to get a save due to weapon AP is the same as failing a save. Once upon a time, GW included it in the FAQ, for some reason they left it out this time around.

Just added a couple words that are pretty important to the rule.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the second printing of the codex states to remove models if they're ineligible for WBB.

Kevin949 wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure that the second printing of the codex states to remove models if they're ineligible for WBB.

It does? *sigh* This whole stealth re-print caused almost as many problems as it solved...

Grakmar wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure that the second printing of the codex states to remove models if they're ineligible for WBB.

It does? *sigh* This whole stealth re-print caused almost as many problems as it solved...

Well, don't quote for me sure (I knew I should have left my codex in the car). I'll check later on unless someone else has a second printing handy.