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Okay.

Finally played some games today. Used to play a few years ago, and there was some stuff we (Friends and people at the games club) simply didnt do. One was attack allocation. If you want to kill characters, issue a challenge. But the new people i play with allocate attacks like no-ones business! Picking off my poor defenceless Skaven BSB. Also using impact hits

I planned to use a Warlord on a Litter in my 2000pts list, so is there any way to stop this happening? Also with keeping the BSB alive?

Thanks

BSB stays in the back. SImple as that.

Allocating attacks is a fact of the game. The only way to keep it from happening is to issue a challenge of your own.

Or just keep your BSB from getting into combat in the first place, which is what I recommend for the Skaven. Have him tag along in back, maybe in a minimum-sized bodyguard unit behind the main line of combatants. 20 Slaves actually work pretty well for this, since it's only a 40-point investment that adds a LOT of durability vs. shooting to the BSB. Then just make darn sure to keep the unit out of the fight until absoloutely necessary.

Challenges arent a very reliable way to keep your characters safe in 8th is the problem.. Champions just refuse with no penalty then rank and file guys kill you

But yeah with my skaven just keep it behind your units in a small bunker or something

I should note that they shouldn't be allocating impact hits. Those are distributed like shooting...

ok her is a trick.
skaven breaker unit 5 wide.
full command with war litter in front rank.
BSB in second rank and in the middle will never get into combat. now take a rivial hide talisman and a distraction sheild for the war litte as well as a potion of inish and any alocation attacks against the warlord are goin to fall short. because the opponet will be wishing he was somewhere else.
for added pain, make the BSB carry the banner of the underempire, and if the breaker unit is storm vernime give the standard bearer the banner of dripping death.
at beginning of combat all enemy units take 2d6 str 2 hits, and anything in base contact withthe standard takes a str 3 with no armour saves as well as takes a small beating if it presues the unit if you do manage to break it. (killed a HPA) in 2 rounds with this puppy as well as a tooled out DE cold ones knight unit. just with the banner sin 3 rounds)

now for added fun make sure you take 2 (yes 2) warp cannos and hit anything closing with your breaker. also a neat trick is a bare nakkid warlock engineeer with just a plain ol shrieking blade. ummmmm fear for the unit for 25 points... hide him like the BSB.

this combo isnt as hard as it could be, its my friendly version and people learn really fast to either hit it hardest or leave it alone. either way. allocation is discouraged. as you can only target 3 things. rank and file, warlord for a headache, and a champ thats just in there to decline the first challange.



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edited: if they dont get the message from this combo not to allocate, pm me and i'll give you the nasty one that makes people role up into ball a and cry.

Hawkins wrote:ok her is a trick.
skaven breaker unit 5 wide.
full command with war litter in front rank.
BSB in second rank and in the middle will never get into combat. now take a rivial hide talisman and a distraction sheild for the war litte as well as a potion of inish and any alocation attacks against the warlord are goin to fall short. because the opponet will be wishing he was somewhere else.

Could you really do that? It seems to me that the requirement to keep him in the front rank would take precidence and he's have to sit along side, or skew the warlitter off to the side a bit to let him in the front.

And my suggestion would just be to buff him out with armor and wards if you want him on the front lines and keep him with a small bodyguard at the back as suggested if you want a magic banner instead.

blak43 wrote:

Hawkins wrote:ok her is a trick.
skaven breaker unit 5 wide.
full command with war litter in front rank.
BSB in second rank and in the middle will never get into combat. now take a rivial hide talisman and a distraction sheild for the war litte as well as a potion of inish and any alocation attacks against the warlord are goin to fall short. because the opponet will be wishing he was somewhere else.

Could you really do that? It seems to me that the requirement to keep him in the front rank would take precidence and he's have to sit along side, or skew the warlitter off to the side a bit to let him in the front.

HE can in a 5 wide formation since the litter takes 2 slots on the front row and the command group takes 3, thus the BSB becomes an excess character and goes to the 2nd row, HE players do it all the time to protect Teclis in lists.

Wow, what a dick move, there should be something against that.

Well i saw empire gunlines solve the problem with hochland rifle spam, once the cham is snipered, they moved on to the saveless Teclis

Red_Zeke wrote:I should note that they shouldn't be allocating impact hits. Those are distributed like shooting...

correct....this can happen only if the character is alone.....

freddieyu1 wrote:

Red_Zeke wrote:I should note that they shouldn't be allocating impact hits. Those are distributed like shooting...

correct....this can happen only if the character is alone.....

Same for stomps IIRC.

Kirasu wrote:Challenges arent a very reliable way to keep your characters safe in 8th is the problem.. Champions just refuse with no penalty then rank and file guys kill you

But yeah with my skaven just keep it behind your units in a small bunker or something

Champions can only refuse challenges with no penalty if there are no other characters in the unit.
When you refuse the challenge, the challenger can send one of your characters (not a unit champion)
that could have accepted the challenge to the back (where he can't contribute leadership, or attack).

read skaven verminous valor rule carefully

Hawkins wrote:read skaven verminous valor rule carefully

If you were referring to my post, I should have clarified it.
The character moved by declining the challenge has to be
placed somewhere not in base contact with an enemy,
and he specifically can't contribute leadership or attack
as stated in the Refusing a challenge rule.
If there is no such place in the unit, a character or
unit champion has to accept the challenge.

actually what i was refering to is Skaven suffer no penalties whatso ever from being moved to the back after refusing a challange, and can use that characters leadership and even the BSB standard as so noted onpage 33 of the AB.

Accersitus wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Challenges arent a very reliable way to keep your characters safe in 8th is the problem.. Champions just refuse with no penalty then rank and file guys kill you

But yeah with my skaven just keep it behind your units in a small bunker or something

Champions can only refuse challenges with no penalty if there are no other characters in the unit.
When you refuse the challenge, the challenger can send one of your characters (not a unit champion)
that could have accepted the challenge to the back (where he can't contribute leadership, or attack).

I know that heh, hence why I said "its not a very reliable way to keep your characters safe".. especially when this was about the BSB.. But thanks for reposting the rules

If you have a BSB + champion and they have a champion that = he refuses BSB dies
If you have a BSB + champion and he has a real hero + champion = he accepts and kills the bsb OR he doesnt challenge and kills the bsb

I was assuming that there was only a champion in said unit because a real hero would just kill a skaven bsb most likely. As said the only real way to protect him is to put him in the second rank or in a bunker unit