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If you take the Aliens and the pred (AVP included) movies (which I find awesome to the point that I have a nerd-gasum), and look at 40k in mind. What race would the marines, Aliens, and Preds be linked 2?

In my mind:
Tyranids= Aliens

Marines= IG

But what do preds link to?

Thinking of somehow modeling the pred element somehow into some 40k stuff.

Do you agree? Whats your thoughts?

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:
But what do preds link to?

eldar/necrons?

Predators, I'd say are some Tau teched out Kroot.

I remember seeing a conversion some one did, turning a Kroot into a Predator. If any race could be considered preds, kroot would prolly be the closest imo.

Kroot make sense

Predators are Eldar Striking Scorpions.

Seconded for the Striking Scorps.

They are the drawn spit of a pred with it's faceplate on.

Absolutionis wrote:Predators are Eldar Striking Scorpions.

Striking Scorpions lack the resilance of predators , kroot are suited to jungel terrian like predators but lack houner.

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:If you take the Aliens and the pred (AVP included) movies (which I find awesome to the point that I have a nerd-gasum),

Really?

Really now?

Anyway, I always equated the aliens with genestealers (Seriously, Space Hulk makes it impossible not to) and the predator with orks (They do, after all, seem to have an addiction to hunting the biggest game).

And I HATE HATE HATE the idea of Predator honor. Remember in the first movie, how the "honorable" predator snuck up on Billy from behind instead of fighting him in a duel?

Necroman wrote:

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:If you take the Aliens and the pred (AVP included) movies (which I find awesome to the point that I have a nerd-gasum),

Really?

Really now?

Anyway, I always equated the aliens with genestealers (Seriously, Space Hulk makes it impossible not to) and the predator with orks (They do, after all, seem to have an addiction to hunting the biggest game).

And I HATE HATE HATE the idea of Predator honor. Remember in the first movie, how the "honorable" predator snuck up on Billy from behind instead of fighting him in a duel?

If you recall, Billy stayed behind on the fallen tree while the others ran ahead. They never actually showed the pred sneak up on him from behind to kill him. The pred could just as easily killed him from the front, granted it prolly did have its stealth camo active.

but then was that before or after the Pred thought that they were hurting the woman???

Beer_&_Bolters wrote:If you recall, Billy stayed behind on the fallen tree while the others ran ahead. They never actually showed the pred sneak up on him from behind to kill him. The pred could just as easily killed him from the front, granted it prolly did have its stealth camo active.

You didn't see the first person view of the pred approaching from behind?

My own view of the Predator mythos (Pre-awful AVP fluff) was that they were simply big game hunters who enjoyed a challenge. When the guy in the first movie fights Dutch hand-to-hand, he only does so after Dutch shows that he's such a badass he'll present a challenge for an unarmed pred. And in the second movie, why do the predators hand that cop guy the gun? Because he hunted down his prey (The predator), and they respect him as a fellow hunter. Since he's not their prey, they don't attack him.

Man, it's almost like the Tyranids are really heavily influenced by the Aliens from Alien/s.

Oh wait

Go play Space Hulk. It's Aliens: The board game.

PS: Don't lump the garbage AVP movies in with the classic Alien and Predator films. They are nowhere near the same level.

Predators would be kroot... no way in hell do striking scorpions have access to the same arsenal.

As Brother SRM said: AVP movies are crap. Do not associate them with their predecessors.

And, if you wish to go with Movie : Wargames, please first consider Starship Troopers, its 'Nids v IG all the way.

Necroman wrote:You didn't see the first person view of the pred approaching from behind?

I've seen that movie dozens of times but i dont recall that. I am, however, willing to consider that perhaps i've just missed that part. I'll give it a watch later.

blood reaper wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Predators are Eldar Striking Scorpions.

Striking Scorpions lack the resilance of predators , kroot are suited to jungel terrian like predators but lack houner.

This comment makes no sense. SS are in power armour, Kroot are not.

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:If you take the Aliens and the pred (AVP included) movies (which I find awesome to the point that I have a nerd-gasum)

I.... what?

Anyway, if I were to choose something to represent the Predator, it'd have to be the Striking Scorpions. They're about as close as you can get, in my mind.

Other than by being masters of stealth I don't understand the where the Striking Scorpion/Predator parallel comes from.

At least with Kroot, they have access to plasma technology whether by trading with humans or the Tau. Kroot are a hunter society, and whether through technology that they might get access to or by their own biology of consuming and adapting species genetics achieve stealth capabilities. They also have the dreadslocks. The kroot have the mindset and some access to the technology.

Their helmets look similar, they're known for being patient hunters, and they have dreads (or sensor spines, whatever)
In addition, the Striking Scorpions have mandible-mounted blasters, similar to the shoulder cannons of the Predator in terms of aesthetics.
As you can see, there's a lot of parallels there.

What do you peeps think of the Predators movie?

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Their helmets look similar, they're known for being patient hunters, and they have dreads (or sensor spines, whatever)
In addition, the Striking Scorpions have mandible-mounted blasters, similar to the shoulder cannons of the Predator in terms of aesthetics.
As you can see, there's a lot of parallels there.

Helmets of Predators and SS do not look similar.



Aside from the dreads, the predators are not wearing fully-enclosed segmented armour and if you look at some pics, you can compare the predator to certain pre-Heresy SM helmet types, full faceplate with eye-lenses. This is the closest pic I can find to a Predator looking like a SS, and its of a toy, not a movie reference: However, if you look at its colouration and everything from the head down, it looks more like a Kroot hunter.

Only if you are attempting to force a comparison (which you are) can there be noticable similarities. However, its like saying Morgan Freeman looks like Michael Jordan, cos they are both black Americans.

Further, how is something mounted on the face 'similar' in terms of aesthetics to something mounted on the back which aims over the shoulder?



However, aside from physical appearance, Predators are culturally/socially more like Kroot.

How is that trying to force a comparison? It's not like I'm saying Chaos Possessed look like Predators, is it? I'll agree that there are much greater physical similarities with the Kroot which are, in some ways, more significant, but in general terms when I think of the role of a stalking hunter in the shadows I think of Striking Scorpions, not Kroot, who are essentially light infantry suited to fighting in terrain, much like any common Catachan Jungle Fighter.
However, given that you probably won't agree with me, I'm happy to allow you that at the Kroot take trophies from their kills.

Brother SRM wrote:Man, it's almost like the Tyranids are really heavily influenced by the Aliens from Alien/s.

Oh wait

Go play Space Hulk. It's Aliens: The board game.

Actually, ALIENS:the boardgame is ALIENS:the board game. It predates space-hulk, too.

Ok, it didn't have plastic playing pieces for the characters (card counters on stands for EACH of the marines, plus Ripley and Burke as well as ALL of the Aliens, facehuggers included) but it WAS a boardgame and it was a fairly tense reconstruction of key events in the movie.

Stylistically, Striking Scorpions (THIS incarnation) share some aspects with predator design (the dreads. That's pretty much it.)
Culturally, DE Incubi and Wyches have more in common than their craftworld cousins.
And the Kroot have more in common in regards to a 'hunting' system.

I can happily ignore the AvP films. There is even worse in expanded universe (novels) about the predators (most of which WAS culled from the Dark Horse comics series that they printed - ALL of them - where the Hybrid predalien comes from, where much of the movie concepts come from - post Predator).

I think at this stage it's worth us saying that there really isn't anything in the 40K universe that fits wholly within the definition of "is basically the Predator."

Nothing that couldn't have been said in post #2.

Peeps seeing 40k in everything they see.

Nothing new there.

One did not begat the other, both were begat from the same source material.

Necroman wrote:

Beer_&_Bolters wrote:If you recall, Billy stayed behind on the fallen tree while the others ran ahead. They never actually showed the pred sneak up on him from behind to kill him. The pred could just as easily killed him from the front, granted it prolly did have its stealth camo active.

You didn't see the first person view of the pred approaching from behind?

My own view of the Predator mythos (Pre-awful AVP fluff) was that they were simply big game hunters who enjoyed a challenge. When the guy in the first movie fights Dutch hand-to-hand, he only does so after Dutch shows that he's such a badass he'll present a challenge for an unarmed pred. And in the second movie, why do the predators hand that cop guy the gun? Because he hunted down his prey (The predator), and they respect him as a fellow hunter. Since he's not their prey, they don't attack him.

I'm sorry but this was bugging me. You are wrong here. Billy is killed from the front. The first person heat vision they show clearly shows the predator approaching from the front.

Perfect mix of scorpion appearence and killing style and kroot culture. IMO

Shoot, now I'm looking for that scene.

EDIT: Here it is.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47110923@N05/4321584064/
Yeah, I was wrong.

Laughing God wrote:Perfect mix of scorpion appearence and killing style and kroot culture. IMO

Rename yourself Switzerland.

I agree with it just being people seeing 40k where they want to see it, I do it all the time. But on a side note I once read an article about how the orignal idea to expand the aliens storyline was to make a movie where Ripply had returned to earth and then have it so that spores fell from the skies and basicly the aliens invaded earth er somthing. Would have made a cool movie imo.