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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:43:03
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440271a&prodId=prod1060015
I really love this model, but it's not in the codex. Do you think I could give him a boltgun in one hand, and count him as a Space marine captain? (and still be used in tournaments?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:46:46
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Flashy Flashgitz
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You can just say he has a bolt gun in that holster there and call him a captain, or a chapter master if you wanted too, heck maybe even a chapter champion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:47:32
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Regular Dakkanaut
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as is that models is just any spacemarine with a power weapon
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:48:56
Subject: Re:SM master of the arsenal
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
Levin, New Zealand
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I was under the impression that "The Master Of The..." models were used as leaders for different companies for SM. So i would say that a captain would be the best use for the model. And provided your opponent knows what he is, then it should be all sweet. Unless you are facing one of those (insert word here) that complains about everything. And i see what you mean. it is a nice model. Might have to invest in one of those...
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Imperial Army: Imperial Guard, Space Marines and Grey Knights
4500pts so far, 1 super heavy Vehicle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:49:38
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Or I could remove the bolt pistol he has holstered and put a boltgun there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:53:47
Subject: Re:SM master of the arsenal
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Stormin' Stompa
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Or, use him as a BA, where their captains can take a power sword and a Power fist
(I don't have the 'nilla codex, so I'm not sure if they can take both or not)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 01:56:30
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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The Masters of the Chapter models are just normal captains, that's what the Apoc Datasheet uses for their rules. the designations are just for the special strategems and rules they provide your army during the game. For all intents and purposes they are Space Marine Heroes (Either Captains or Chaptermasters).
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 02:27:21
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Flashy Flashgitz
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You can remove the pistol if you want but I would leave it for the extra attack in cc, ymmv of course. you could also just say the holster contains a bolt gun as it is standard weaponry no one would care. Or yea find a cool bolt gun and stick her on there, the point is its a model do what you want/use it as what you want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/08 04:21:42
Subject: Re:SM master of the arsenal
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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All of the 'master of the' are space marine captains with extra rules in Apoc games, so for a 40k game you simply use the codex entry for a captain. Giving a model an additional title that has no rules effect is not a WYSIWYG issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 22:38:48
Subject: Re:SM master of the arsenal
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
Levin, New Zealand
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BearersOfSalvation wrote:All of the 'master of the' are space marine captains with extra rules in Apoc games, so for a 40k game you simply use the codex entry for a captain. Giving a model an additional title that has no rules effect is not a WYSIWYG issue.
I had no idea that they had extra rules in Apoc. I just assumed that they were leaders of companies, and so, standard captains
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Imperial Army: Imperial Guard, Space Marines and Grey Knights
4500pts so far, 1 super heavy Vehicle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 22:53:30
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Monstrous Master Moulder
Secret lab at the bottom of Lake Superior
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In apoc they have special rules. In the picture section of the space marine rulebook they are just shown as captains and masters. He has a holster on him so he could have a bolt or plasma pistol.
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Commissar NIkev wrote:
This guy......is smart |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/10 17:17:02
Subject: SM master of the arsenal
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Captain Mikael Fabian, is the Ultramarines 3rd Company Captain, and Master of the Arsenal. I've been trying to find fluff pertaining to his character, but haven't found anything outside of the codex yet.
That being said, I do agree that it is a kick-ass model. I plan on using it, actually, in an upcoming Apocalypse game for a "Masters of the Chapter" formation datasheet. One thing I don't get though, is how the "Master of the Watch" model looks. Now, I know fluff doesn't always translate well through models, but according to the fluff, Cato Sicarius is the Master of the Watch, and he already has his own model. It's funny how these guys are all portrayed in Ultramarine Blue... And I hate to say it, but the "Master of the Fleet" model looks nothing like how I'd imagine Uriel Ventris to be. Although technically, he isn't the Master of the Fleet anymore (according to fluff at least)... but I digress...
Anyways, great model!
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"This One Is Rurouni... Once Again, This One Will Drift..."
"Rushing towards danger without hesitation isn't recklessness, but bravery... And avoiding danger when there's a chance for victory isn't precaution, but cowardice..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/10 17:31:49
Subject: Re:SM master of the arsenal
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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TheGentleman wrote:I had no idea that they had extra rules in Apoc. I just assumed that they were leaders of companies, and so, standard captains
The 'master of the' titles are additional honors for the captains, they are in addition to being leaders of a company. For the Ultramarines they seem to be attached to a specific company, for other chapters they're not always tied to a company. The Apoc formation 'masters of the chapter' has you buy several standard captains and designate which one has which title, and you get a special rule as long as that captain is alive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/10 19:48:08
Subject: Re:SM master of the arsenal
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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BearersOfSalvation wrote:The 'master of the' titles are additional honors for the captains, they are in addition to being leaders of a company. For the Ultramarines they seem to be attached to a specific company, for other chapters they're not always tied to a company. The Apoc formation 'masters of the chapter' has you buy several standard captains and designate which one has which title, and you get a special rule as long as that captain is alive.
Actually, what you get is an Asset for each Captain in the unit, and in order for the Asset to be available, they need to be attached with the Chapter Master's squad. You also get a choice between either a Command Squad or a Terminator Squad, in addition to the 5 IC's.
The Assets you get are:
- Orbital Bombardment
- Precision Strike
- Ambush
- Surgical Raids
However, if either the Captain pertaining to the Asset, or if the Chapter Master dies, then the Asset is lost. I forget off the top of my head which Captain gets which, but you might be able to download the PDF from the GW site, if you don't already have the Apoc book handy.
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"This One Is Rurouni... Once Again, This One Will Drift..."
"Rushing towards danger without hesitation isn't recklessness, but bravery... And avoiding danger when there's a chance for victory isn't precaution, but cowardice..."
"I can only go forward." |
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