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Just a quick post to gauge the general reaction towards plans that I have made.

I'm hoping to build 1,500 Points of Imperial Fists First Company (Terminators and Dreadnoughts) as a new Army, and, having looked at the options I have for Rules, I think Codex: Dark Angels is the most appropriate for the cause, as it has specific rules for First Company (Deathwing). I've ran this passed a couple of people, who have all assured me that there is no problem in doing this, and that they would be more than happy to play against it, but the idea has also met some opposition, so therefore, the question:

Would you refuse to play against an Imperial Fists First Company List using Codex: Dark Angels?

Thanks for your time,

Martin

yes i would play you
its good to see "reverse bandwagon" for change

Thanks. That was the point I made; it's not as if I'm doing this to gain some sort of performance advantage.

Thanks for your vote.

No problem at all. as long as the points are right and the list is legal why should I care what you've painted it / fluffed it as.

It kills me to say this, but have you considered a Loganwing?

To be honest, no, I haven't. We have a Space Wolves Player at the Club already, so I'd sooner try Black Templars Terminators. Thanks for the suggestion, though; maybe one day.

Thanks, Bowman.

nope

Thanks, Element.

I would find it amusing. It would be fun to have two people using Deathwing Assault on each other. XD

So that's where the Fallen went... never woulda guessed.

Haha, thanks! The Fallen are everywhere... you just don't know it...


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Who voted 'No'? Why?

I would.

Although I wish GW made options more readily available without the use of Special Characters.

If your list is legal, or even if it isn't and you just tell me what your custom rules are (so long as they're reasonable) I don't really care what color they are, or what fluff you're using.

You could mount a whole bunch of Lego Construction workers on bases, use the rules for Chaos Daemons and call them your "Intergalatic Llama Herders" for all I care.

Of course I'd allow it, but then you wouldn't get to use lysander, which is kind of a shame.

Popsicle wrote:Just a quick post to gauge the general reaction towards plans that I have made.

I'm hoping to build 1,500 Points of Imperial Fists First Company (Terminators and Dreadnoughts) as a new Army, and, having looked at the options I have for Rules, I think Codex: Dark Angels is the most appropriate for the cause, as it has specific rules for First Company (Deathwing). I've ran this passed a couple of people, who have all assured me that there is no problem in doing this, and that they would be more than happy to play against it, but the idea has also met some opposition, so therefore, the question:

Would you refuse to play against an Imperial Fists First Company List using Codex: Dark Angels?

Thanks for your time,

Martin

I wouldn't have an issue at all if you made sure I knew exactly what counted as what. Otherwise No issue with it at all.

Why has nobody who voted 'Yes' posted to say why? Can anyone suggest a reason?

Popsicle wrote:Why has nobody who voted 'No' posted to say why? Can anyone suggest a reason?

I voted 'no', because I don't mind Marine (be they Chaos or Loyalist) armies using similar, alternative codices. I don't mind when Dark Angels use the regular Space Marines codex, so I wouldn't have any problem with Space Marines using the Dark Angels codex.

I wouldn't care I would look at your list and say ah Dark Angels and then look at your yellow marines and say wow happy Dark Angels.

I wouldn't mind at all, acouple of times I've used the SM vanilla codex for my chaos army when I decided to see how a recently turned chapter did in chaos's name

(With edits ofc, libbys became sorcs, no chaplains although I got a damn drop pod for my Dreadnought :p)

MinMax wrote:

Popsicle wrote:Why has nobody who voted 'No' posted to say why? Can anyone suggest a reason?

I voted 'no', because I don't mind Marine (be they Chaos or Loyalist) armies using similar, alternative codices. I don't mind when Dark Angels use the regular Space Marines codex, so I wouldn't have any problem with Space Marines using the Dark Angels codex.

Gah, I meant nobody who voted 'Yes'.

Seems fine. Only one consideration: while I personally would probably be fine with you using Lysander, it wouldn't be legal in most settings.

But just for a casual game (or a competitive one without Lysander), sure!

I said that its fine.
As long as your not using both a Space Marine and a Dark Angel Codex at the same time and you don't have the Dark Angel codex.

Personally, I'd allow it.

As long as you used the proper models, I don't care what you've painted it as.

If you tried to use Lysander and then Deathwing rules for you Termies....well, that would be different. Probably still allow that in a casual game, just to see if I could beat it.

Theres no way in hell i would let you do it!
HERESY!
Nah in all seriousness it's fine because it doesn't matter how you painted your army as long as you follow the rules for the codex. I could see people having problems if you're gonna use two codexes.. and maybe someone giving you the response above!
I'd let you do it, simply because theres not many people who actually paint their models in my gaming experience (or if they do its so crap that they might as well have not)

I am amazed that anyone at all has said they would not play, and not at all amazed that they are too cowardly to show themselves in this thread by posting.

GW has flat out said that it doesn't matter what colors or names your marines are as long as they are legal.

Popsicle wrote:

MinMax wrote:

Popsicle wrote:Why has nobody who voted 'No' posted to say why? Can anyone suggest a reason?

I voted 'no', because I don't mind Marine (be they Chaos or Loyalist) armies using similar, alternative codices. I don't mind when Dark Angels use the regular Space Marines codex, so I wouldn't have any problem with Space Marines using the Dark Angels codex.

Gah, I meant nobody who voted 'Yes'.

I think the poll wording has confused some people. Should probably have been "is this okay? - IF 1st as DA"

Yes=Okay if you're just glancing over it.


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ph34r wrote:I am amazed that anyone at all has said they would not play, and not at all amazed that they are too cowardly to show themselves in this thread by posting.

GW has flat out said that it doesn't matter what colors or names your marines are as long as they are legal.

P 127 of C:SM and P 77 of C: DA come right out and say this.




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Brebdab wrote:If you tried to use Lysander and then Deathwing rules for you Termies....well, that would be different.

Popsicle has the list being led by Belial (needs to in order to have termies as troops).

Fluffwise, Belial is counts-as Sigismund (post heresy but pre the founding of the Templars). He was 1st captain of the fists at that point and he carried a special sword that Dorn had given him so he's a good match for Belial in terms of rules.

@OP: to reword your question "would you refuse to play me if I painted my Dark Angels yellow?" works out to the same thing. If you want to play somebody, you can always keep your fluff to yourself.

Now, I made the assumption that your models are armed WYSIWYG.

The Imperial Fists can do anything the Dark Angels can do better anyway, apart from maybe be sneaky, so no, I would not have a problem.

I voted yes, because I would have a problem with the background aspect of the force. I would still play it mind you, but I think it would put me off if I saw Imperial fists (with chapter markings and all) being played with DA rules.

Now if you said they were a successor chapter with a yellow scheme and no Imperial fist iconograpy, I think that would be fine.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:I voted yes, because I would have a problem with the background aspect of the force. I would still play it mind you, but I think it would put me off if I saw Imperial fists (with chapter markings and all) being played with DA rules.

Now if you said they were a successor chapter with a yellow scheme and no Imperial fist iconograpy, I think that would be fine.

So what do you say when someone wants to have a fighting force of mostly 1st company? "Too bad, even though there are rules to support it and fluff to support it you can't do it against me"?

Pilau Rice wrote:The Imperial Fists can do anything the Dark Angels can do better anyway, apart from maybe be sneaky

and wear dresses.