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When you land in a drop pod do you have to disembark?

Thank you.

Yes its part of the rules you must disembark (note there is one exception and thats when the exits are blocked)

"Once the Drop Pod has landed, the hatches are blown and all passengers must immediately disembark, if able."
-C:SM, p. 69, 2nd paragraph under "TRANSPORT"

yes they have, and I'd guess they'd be trapped/destroyed if unable

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:yes they have, and I'd guess they'd be trapped/destroyed if unable

No. At worst they have to stay embarked untill there was space in their turn to disembark. Follow the rules for disembarking; if models are unable to be deployed they can't disembark.

If you need a fluffy explanation as to why, it's because the doors are supposed to be "blown off" on impact, meaning they couldn't stay inside.

Of course if they cant disembark, then they have to wait inside until they can legally do so as Tri says.

MekanobSamael wrote:"Once the Drop Pod has landed, the hatches are blown and all passengers must immediately disembark, if able."
-C:SM, p. 69, 2nd paragraph under "TRANSPORT"

Your quote is incorrect. What the rule says is; "Once the Drop Pod has landed, the hatches are blown and all passengers must immediately disembark, as normal." {emphasis mine}

Meaning you would refer back to the core rules on disembarking. It is never specified exactly what happens if all the exits are blocked and emergency disembarkation is not possible.
However, the general concensus is that the models would remain in the drop pod until able to disembark.

In the end though, isn't it anti-climatic to have a bunch of zealous space marines yelling for the Emperor! on the way down, only to be stuck inside once the pod has landed?

But yes, it does say "must immediately disembark as normal."

So the interesting thing would be that if you are in that situation if the pod is wrecked, then all your guys would die.

Warboss Kannonblasta wrote:
So the interesting thing would be that if you are in that situation if the pod is wrecked, then all your guys would die.

Wouldn't take too much. Once the pod lands, it is immobile.
2 weapon destroyed or 2 immobilized or 1 of each on a pod would cause it to be destroyed.
If the marines hadn't disembarked and couldn't even emergency disembark, they would indeed be destroyed.

I'm of the opinion that if you can't disembark, the unit inside is destroyed.

Logic process:

Must disembark > unable to disembark > unit destroyed.

Miraclefish wrote:I'm of the opinion that if you can't disembark, the unit inside is destroyed.

Logic process:

Must disembark > unable to disembark > unit destroyed.

Must disembark ... fine
unable to disembark ... still fine
unit destroyed ... where in the rules did this come from?

Tri wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I'm of the opinion that if you can't disembark, the unit inside is destroyed.

Logic process:

Must disembark > unable to disembark > unit destroyed.

Must disembark ... fine
unable to disembark ... still fine
unit destroyed ... where in the rules did this come from?

It'd be like when you have to disembark from a fast vehicle that has moved flat out. You have to disembark but can't, therefor the unit is destroyed.

So, +1 to the squad being destroyed if it can't disembark.

Wouldn't you have to be really unlucky to land in a pocket of enemy troops that exactly prevent the troops getting out? Do people leave 8" circles open amidst a horde of models/terrain?

Homer

Grakmar wrote:

Tri wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I'm of the opinion that if you can't disembark, the unit inside is destroyed.

Logic process:

Must disembark > unable to disembark > unit destroyed.

Must disembark ... fine
unable to disembark ... still fine
unit destroyed ... where in the rules did this come from?

It'd be like when you have to disembark from a fast vehicle that has moved flat out. You have to disembark but can't, therefor the unit is destroyed.

So, +1 to the squad being destroyed if it can't disembark.

Wrong, they are destroyed because the Destroyed-Wrecked rules tell you they are. Destroyed- Explodes (a worse result) on the other hand, has you place the models in the hole left by the vehicle. As you can see there is no Default models must be destroyed.

But destroyed - explodes ISNT disembarking - it cant be, as you arent doing it from a point on the hull.

You are forced to disembark, but cannot - either the unit is destroyed (hosuerule), they ignore the must disembark (houserule) or the game stalls (Whiskey!)

+1 for whiskey...

So the situation is that you must disembark, but you can't.

The other situations where this comes up are from vehicles being wrecked. If you have either a squad/impassible terrain fully surrounding the transport or it having moved flat out, both result in this same general situation and both result in the squad being destroyed. So, there is a precedent for must+can't=destroyed.

This is pretty similar to the situation where the entire board edge is covered by enemy models, and you have to bring reserves on. You must move the models on, but can't.

I agree with nos, that the RAW doesn't cover this, so a house rule is required. And the house rule that seems to fit the best with RAI is that the squad is destroyed.

Although, this situation shouldn't come up very often.

Agreed Grakmar. The odds of this happening by chance are low, especially when you consider the drop pod disembarkation points are 360° around the hull.

+2 for whiskey...yes, it was my idea in the first place

Miraclefish wrote:I'm of the opinion that if you can't disembark, the unit inside is destroyed.

Logic process:

Must disembark > unable to disembark > unit destroyed.

I'm in agreement that the unit is destroyed. Must disembark.

"... must disembark, as normal" ....
Ignoring ",as normal" I feel; normally if you cannot disembark, you don't disembark.

Again only reason that models are destroyed when its wrecked is because the rule says so.

Doesn't the rulebook specifically say that if a unit cannot perform an emergency disembarkation, that its destroyed? Isn't this the same kind of deal?

Brief answer to the original question, yes.

liam0404 wrote:Doesn't the rulebook specifically say that if a unit cannot perform an emergency disembarkation, that its destroyed? Isn't this the same kind of deal?

But the rule book doesn't say that; all the rule book has to say is that models that cannot disembark by using the access points or via emergency disembarkation, cannot disembark.

The rule you are thing off is when a Destroyed - wrecked result happens. The drop pod isn't wrecked so when they can't leave they'd stay in it.

Hence they MUSt disembark, but cannot, so the game breaks.

liam0404 wrote:Doesn't the rulebook specifically say that if a unit cannot perform an emergency disembarkation, that its destroyed? Isn't this the same kind of deal?

I think it’s written that way because space marines head's will explode if they are stuck in vehicle too long, they yearn to dispense the emperor's justice.

spireland wrote:

liam0404 wrote:Doesn't the rulebook specifically say that if a unit cannot perform an emergency disembarkation, that its destroyed? Isn't this the same kind of deal?

I think it’s written that way because space marines head's will explode if they are stuck in vehicle too long, they yearn to dispense the emperor's justice.

Which they may still do as a landed drop pod is open topped, is it not?

spireland wrote:

liam0404 wrote:Doesn't the rulebook specifically say that if a unit cannot perform an emergency disembarkation, that its destroyed? Isn't this the same kind of deal?

I think it’s written that way because space marines head's will explode if they are stuck in vehicle too long, they yearn to dispense the emperor's justice.

Except, as was already pointed out, it's not written that way.



Counting them as destroyed is the easiest option, but it would be just as valid to allow them to remain in the vehicle and disembark at the earliest opportunity.

If the hatches are blown but they cannot disembark (surrounded by impassable terrain and other units I guess) then they are in an open-topped vehicle that is immobilized. I don't see where they are destroyed - Why can't they shoot?

I don't think they would be destroyed - unless someone destroys the immobilized vehicle they are in! (That would certainly be a good idea if you are able)

Good ideas for house rules in this thread - it needs one.

Highly unlikely event, though. It would be sweet to have your sternguard in the middle of the enemy army 'trapped' in an open-topped vehicle.

The reason people are saying they are destroyed is, in the other circumstance where you MUST deploy and cannot, you are destroyed (vehicle - wrecked result)