Grot Riggers + Immobilised + Squadron

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**Leigen_Zero**

Hey guys, just had an interesting point coming up while planning a 1500pt ork footsloggers list.

If I take a squad of 2 killa kanz (number is irrelevant but must be >1), and give them grot riggers (can ignore an immobilised result on a 4+ instead of shooting), what happens? (as in a sqaudron an immobilised result becomes a wrecked result, and you crew stunned are lessened to crew shaken)

I see three possible outcomes:

Pure RAW: The upgrade is null and void, as the vehicle is wrecked before your shooting phase, and therefore cannot make the roll as the vehicle is technically no longer there

Pure house rule: The upgrade works, however the entire squadron cannot move as it waits for the immobilised kan to catch up

Silly option: I immerse the killa kan that was immobilised into a large vat of lime jelly and consume it

What's your thoughts, or am I missing something?

**forkbanger**

Squadron rules make your riggers freak out and explode the kan as soon as it takes the immobilizing hit.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

RAW if that's the exact text, roll a 4+ and they would ignore it and that one would be unable to shoot next turn

at least how i see it

**Scott-S6**

Leigen_Zero wrote:can ignore an immobilised result on a 4+ instead of shooting

That is NOT what the grot riggers rule says at all.

Firstly, the immobilised result is not ignored - the grots have a chance to fix it in the next turn's shooting phase.
Secondly, nothing prohibits you from shooting.

A vehicle in a squadron counts immobilisation as wrecked. The damaged vehicle is destroyed before the grots can use their ability.

Since a vehicle in a squadron never get's immobilised, having something that can attempt a repair of that damage type in the next turn is not relevant. The only way grot riggers are useful in a squadron is when there is only one vehicle left.

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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:RAW if that's the exact text, roll a 4+ and they would ignore it and that one would be unable to shoot next turn
at least how i see it

It's not even close to the exact text.

**Leigen_Zero**

Scott-S6 wrote:
Leigen_Zero wrote:can ignore an immobilised result on a 4+ instead of shooting

That is NOT what the grot riggers rule says at all.

Firstly, the immobilised result is not ignored - the grots have a chance to fix it in the next turn's shooting phase.
Secondly, nothing prohibits you from shooting..

I was to be fair paraphrasing, as I am not going to copy rules word for word, the rules however do state that the unit must repair in the ork's shooting phase, and can do nothing until the next ork turn, thus they cannot shoot, and 'repairing' is essentially ignoring the immobilised result inflicted on the vehicle.

However, I am in agreement with you that giving a sqaudron grot riggers means that the upgrade is useless until the unit is down to 1 model.

**Wi1ikers**

yes the upgrade is useless in a squadron.

**Scott-S6**

Leigen_Zero wrote:'repairing' is essentially ignoring the immobilised result inflicted on the vehicle

No, suffering a result and later being able to remove it is absolutely nothing like being able to ignore it.

**insaniak**

Leigen_Zero wrote:I was to be fair paraphrasing, as I am not going to copy rules word for word, the rules however do state that the unit must repair in the ork's shooting phase, and can do nothing until the next ork turn,

Sorry, but they don't say that at all.

They simply say that the Ork vehicle can start moving on the following turn. There is nothing that prevents the vehicle from shooting on the turn it uses its Riggers.