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Hello all,

So I'm thinking about building a chaos force. As a trial balloon, I got some Chaos Terminators because I like the models, and will build them even if I decide against the chaos force. I'm considering going Iron Warriors, because it looks like a fairly simple scheme and I enjoy hazard stripes.

I'm wondering: what's with the Eyes of Horus molded onto various parts of the armor? Do these not signify Black Legion? Should I be filing off/greenstuffing over these, or do they signify something I'm not aware of? I know fairly little about Chaos lore, other then what's in the codex; and even that I only sort of browsed.

It's there to make them look more chaos-ey

It's an old Imperial symbol, the Eye of Terra.

It also shouts out "I support a losing cause, and a loser!"

And isn't it more of a 'Luna Wolves'/ 'Sons of Horus' thing?

Nurglitch wrote:It's an old Imperial symbol, the Eye of Terra.

I've never heard of this.

Imperial guard sanctioned psykers all have the eye of terra symbol on their staffs.

The Eye of Terra is mentioned in the Horus Heresy series.

It represents the benevolence and omnipotence of the emperor.

That's right, it was his symbol with the Luna Wolves from the outset.

So why haven't Chaos forces removed it from their armor? You sure don't see any Aquillas, for example.

Ouze wrote:So why haven't Chaos forces removed it from their armor? You sure don't see any Aquillas, for example.

From a Chaos Space Marine's context , it is the Eye of Horus.

Originally from the LunaWolves\Sons of Horus, it's one of the most common symbols of a Black Legionnaire.

Ouze wrote:So why haven't Chaos forces removed it from their armor? You sure don't see any Aquillas, for example.

the aquilla was not introduced onto space marine armour until after the horus heresy, but you do see renegade chapter that defile their aquillas

BluntmanDC wrote:

Ouze wrote:So why haven't Chaos forces removed it from their armor? You sure don't see any Aquillas, for example.

the aquilla was not introduced onto space marine armour until after the horus heresy, but you do see renegade chapter that defile their aquillas

that is not entirely accurate, the aquilla was introduced onto the MK7 armor which went into service during the siege of the imperial palace

BluntmanDC wrote:

Ouze wrote:So why haven't Chaos forces removed it from their armor? You sure don't see any Aquillas, for example.

the aquilla was not introduced onto space marine armour until after the horus heresy, but you do see renegade chapter that defile their aquillas

The Emperor's Children were given a special dispensation as a Legion to have the aquila on their armour. Previously, this was something only permitted to Astartes who had received a personal honour from the Emperor.

Nurglitch wrote:The Eye of Terra is mentioned in the Horus Heresy series.

Mr Nobody wrote:It represents the benevolence and omnipotence of the emperor.

The watchful eye of terra was the symbol of the warmaster and no other Legion/Person used it.
It was an imperial symbol, but became as the warmasters seal a new meaning in the Heresy. Other symbols were added to define loyalities then,
maybe the designer deemed the eye as badge of all the traitors?
Would guess any Terminator wore the badges and markings of his Primarch/Legion firstly, I 'd get rid of those 'eyes' if I planned a warband not
allied with Abaddon or the Black Legion.

Also isn't there a real life Eye of Horus? Y'know the Egyptian one.

Yeah its an icon used throughout history, I think both the ancient Egyptians and the Greeks used it, and its one of the symbols of Buddhism.

Is it... this one?

It's just a general thing. The paint is what matters.

It COULD be black legion..If you paint it yellow..Or it could be Tzeentch, if you paint the eye itself something like green.

Alpharius wrote:Is it... this one?

Is that Horus or Ra? Or is that the same guy?

Horus and Ra are not the same God, so if that is the Eye of Ra...

Horus and Ra are and aren't the same diety. Ancient Egypt had a tendency to enthrone the new ruler's village trinity as the new aspects of the same old Gods. Even Seth was rehabilitated for a while, when the royal house was taken up from the delta, while the infamous Aten was moreso notable for having its aspects played up over the traditional pantheon, eventually eclipsing them before its own cult was eradicated by the succeeding dynasty.

The complex Eqyptian mythology we're familiar with is one point along a complex historical process of religious syncretism and diversity, and political succession. Sometimes the Gods gain new identities, and sometimes they gain new relatives. If you consider the relations as describing the relation between ideas, then you might guess at why the ancient pantheons tended to be soap operas full of bizarre relationships, because they're about the personification of ideas rather than about persons. Personification is a good way of communicating ideas to the common guy, or at least easier than giving everyone a priestly education.

Which is kind of neat that in 21st century popular cannon 'mythology' we're all familiar with Horus comes into conflict with his uncle Set, who had come to power by murdering Horus' father (incidentally it turns out that Osiris' Penis was a big phallic stone that was ritually dipped into the Nile, which is a nice connection to the religion as people practiced it and the point of the story as we understand it today: Egypt was fertilized by the Nile, and dipping a stone dick in the river is a small price to pay for the peasants letting do your religious mumbo-jumbo of measuring their land and thus their tax allottment.)

Now the interesting thing is that previously to Horusian trinity coming to the for, Set protected Ra on Ra's voyages through the underworld, and eternal battle with the serpent of Chaos: Apophis. Horus replaced Set in this role as well. The Eye of Horus was connected to the Eye of Ra, or the sun's disc.

ya, what he said.

1hadhq wrote:Would guess any Terminator wore the badges and markings of his Primarch/Legion firstly, I 'd get rid of those 'eyes' if I planned a warband not
allied with Abaddon or the Black Legion.

This is the summary I was looking for. Thank you.