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I'll be playing my 2nd game soon and am wondering what cover works best with what. I do plan on playing 4 large boyz mobs, 2 shoota and 2 slugga and was wondering if the KFF or gretchin shield was better with the shootas to get within 18 and dakka dakka or the sluggas to run them all the way up the other flank for some in thar face action.

Take both. If you lose one type of cover you can take advantage of the other. Redundancy is a big deal in 40k. But if you have to choose I would go with the KFF because if you put the Mig Mek in a large blob of boyz her will last longer than the gretchin.

Something to consider about the Grots is that they can confer a Cv4+ to units shooting through them, while the Kustom Force Field only confers a Cv5+ (except to vehicles, where counting as obscured means Cv4+).

The answer to this might be that the Gretchin also confer a Cv4+ to any units that the Orks might be shooting at, but the Gretchin can use their Movement phase to move out of the way of the Orks.

Finally the Gretchin can also screen charges, and since their own shooting is awful, you won't miss it much when they run back into position to screen the Orks.

Being able to catch a charge on expendible Gretchin means that you not only get those Furious Charge and Charge bonuses (+1S, +1I, +1A), but you can work in a round of shooting first, and deny those bonuses to stuff that really needs them, like Blood Angels, Khorne Berzerkers, Tyranids, and other Orks.

You may want to practice your unit configurations though so that when you put them on the field you know the optimum configurations for screening, because if the spacing is wider than 25mm (or <1" ) then 25mm based units will be able to charge through your Gretchin, and you want your Orks more widely spaced so that they're more resistant to Blast markers, templates, and the Gretchin can move through them to allow the Orks to move forward and shoot unimpeded by the Gretchin screen.

Ok so from the sound of it I should run the 2 units of shootas with the KFF Big Mek and the 2 units of sluggas behind a grot shield. I am also gonna pick up some extra gretchin to guard my lootas and SAG Big Mek that will be providing fire support.

The KFF will protect you from barrage weapons and the such

KFF is better, it costs 85pts, grots can

A: bolt
b: Die
C:Take up a troops choice

Stick with the boring old over used kff

I'd say screw sluggas, shootas are just plain better.

If you are footslogging, which it sounds like you are, shootas a re better then sluggas. More or less you get the one extra attack at range instead of in CC.

Tekeino wrote:KFF is better, it costs 85pts, grots can

A: bolt
b: Die
C:Take up a troops choice

Stick with the boring old over used kff

The reason its over used is because its easily the best wargear option in the codex. Its fantastic! I almost always take one

KFF Big Mek and a 29 Gretchin with 2 Runtherd unit should suffice.

You could also use a screen of plain-old orks, maybe with 'ard Boyz upgrade (some consider it a waste, but it is a decent armor save in a codex lacking saves for the most part). If you feel obligated to want to have gretchin, use up a FOC slot for a min squad to use to grab your objectives in the backfield.

you could stick the kff so it covers the grots and some boys...

Remember only the majority of the models in the squad need to be covered in order to get the KFF benefit. So if you keep fewer models in the area that will leave room for more squads.

ThatEdGuy wrote:Remember only the majority of the models in the squad need to be covered in order to get the KFF benefit. So if you keep fewer models in the area that will leave room for more squads.

This is wrong.

If even one model in a unit is within range the WHOLE unit gets the KFF save.

ThatEdGuy wrote:Remember only the majority of the models in the squad need to be covered in order to get the KFF benefit. So if you keep fewer models in the area that will leave room for more squads.

You are mixing up how the KFF works on squadrons. If you have a 3 buggy squad, then 2 have to be covered to grant the save to the entire squadron. For a single vehicle or a unit, it just has to touch them to grant the save over the entire unit