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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/28 19:22:38
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Am I the only one whose FLGS is actually friendly?
My annoying moments are usually with bad dices, not people raging over a game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/28 19:23:57
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Executing Exarch
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Cyrax wrote:Am I the only one whose FLGS is actually friendly?
My annoying moments are usually with bad dices, not people raging over a game. 
No, we never see this kind of stuff at my club. I feel sorry for those who have to deal with this stuff!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/28 20:56:58
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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thechosen1 wrote:
It was somewhat gratifying to watch him in an Apoc game, some time later, after he smugly dropped two Eldar Titans on the board. A buddy of mine deep-struck a full pair of Vanguard Veteran squads with Meltabombs in (didn't scatter thanks to a few well-placed Teleport Homers), and Heroic Intervention'd their way into the Titans, killing them both in a single assault.
Poetic justice strikes again I see. It made me Lol.
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
Selym: "Be true to thyself, play Chaos" - Jesus, Daemon Prince of Cegorach.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/28 21:20:26
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
In Firenze kicking Templar arse.
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When my friend decided to rage that his Crons get a save against my Sternguard's Kraken Shells and a Cover Save against my Purifiers and da BIG BURNA! (incinerator)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/28 21:55:48
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Powerful Ushbati
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Castiel wrote:Cyrax wrote:Am I the only one whose FLGS is actually friendly?
My annoying moments are usually with bad dices, not people raging over a game. 
No, we never see this kind of stuff at my club. I feel sorry for those who have to deal with this stuff!
If you notice, dakkadakka is world wide. Some of these are from the US, and others from distant lands. Locally, we have a pretty good gaming group with only a few bad apples to speak of elitist, waac, etc... But what can you do. With such a wide player base there are bound to be some of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/28 22:57:16
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Executing Exarch
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Tomb King wrote:Castiel wrote:Cyrax wrote:Am I the only one whose FLGS is actually friendly?
My annoying moments are usually with bad dices, not people raging over a game. 
No, we never see this kind of stuff at my club. I feel sorry for those who have to deal with this stuff!
If you notice, dakkadakka is world wide. Some of these are from the US, and others from distant lands. Locally, we have a pretty good gaming group with only a few bad apples to speak of elitist, waac, etc... But what can you do. With such a wide player base there are bound to be some of them.
We're aware, and I know its only a matter of time until something similar happens to me, just thought I'd answer his question!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/29 08:22:00
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Sure we have some WAAC players too. However, they usually interpret some rules differently rather than claiming something like " Pulse Rifles rapid-firing at 20' with Str-7 and AP-3". I just don't understand why these weirdos were allowed in a store in the first place. Also I don't think anyone will ever have the nerve do something like that:
Flaming_Spider wrote:then we hear the distinct sound of liquid under pressure hitting plastic. And the smell!! It was awful. Some guy at a painting table pulls a 2 liter bottle from under the table and sets it down. You can guess what was in that bottle...
And this story:
Revarien wrote:He then continued to watch us telling her how much he 'Liked her' and glaring at me...
Then he started whispering that he liked her...
She gave me a look and I knew it was time to leave or she might kill the guy if I didn't get there first... so we picked up and left without a word.
If this ever happens, in a best case scenario, it would end with that  guy dragged of the shop and given a warning of never returning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/29 16:59:26
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Painting Within the Lines
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Like the others have said, you just have one or two bad apples. The kid I spoke about hasn't come to my FLGS in about two years-ish, and the rest of the community is usually agreeable, good-natured, and good-sporting. Yeah, we've got a small number of power players, but they're not cheaters, just min-maxers to an extent. They're still nice folks, even when they're stomping your teeth in.
That bottle story...just ew. How was he not evicted on the spot? And as for the other guy...he gives normal folks who play wargames (the majority of my FLGS) a bad name. We've only got a single neckbeard to our name (and he's more a metalhead/biker than a neckbeard, anyway).
This kid and one other story are the only negative experiences I've had with my FLGS. The other story involved a pair of troglodytes talking about furries in the open, with little kids milling about. At first I thought it was a joke; I went "hurr, suffer not the furry to live" and went back to my game. I didn't realize that the topic had turned rather risque, and it ended with the store's manager chewing us all out (for good reason, IMO).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/29 17:35:49
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Of course I agree with you about bad apples. I'm just saying most stories here make regular bad people look like nice guy greg in comparison.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 17:11:40
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Pious Warrior Priest
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This Happened at GW HQ in Lenton, when you could still disembark from a Rhino, shoot and assualt in the same turn.
there were 3 of us, Me playing Khorne marines, my friend (who was on my side) with Dark Eldar combined 3000P.t.s against 3000P.t.s of Imperial guard my other mate had.
It was an excellent game, with everybody having fun, despit the fact we were losing unitil....................
A guy comes along, tells us he has been looking for a game all day and found no one willing. I Hate pick up games and told him our game was organized and full. My friends told me told lighten up and let him in, so my mate put half his imperial guard away. Random guy brought out his new shiney grey night thingies. (they had just come out the week before)
He the proceeded to orbital bombard me 3 times every turn, when he destroyed my Land Raider he said it exploded and destroyed eveything within 6".
i was getting anoyed, but carried on 'cus my friends seemed to be having fun, though by this point it had turned into 2 games, my friends battle each other and me and random guy.
finally my rhinos were within rang to disembark my berzerkrs and assualt his line. as i get my models out he informs me that only 5 models fit in a rhino. when i contested him het picks up one of my rhinos and a berzerker and says ' do you really think 10 of these would fit in a rhino?' and he 'showed me' that only 5 models would fit in it, yet his razorback held 10??? i didn't even show him the codex i just packed up and went to the bugmans bar.
A brilliant fun game ruined by a random guy.
Another time i was in the same place trying to buy 2 obliterators. The same random guy came up to me and told me i should buy 3 as that makes a unit.
Now......
I left with no obliterators and an escort of 2 burly shop staff.
Nobody tells me how to spend MY money.
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Oh man, the first monster I see I'm going to sneak up behind him, whip out my wand, and shoot my magic all over his ass.
http://www.woodvilles.org.uk/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 17:36:57
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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What really ticked me off was when my LGS was having an apocalypse game and my bloodbrides multi charged a vindicator and stormraven, I blew up the vindi and immobilized the stormraven I then piled in to block the access points. Then on their turn the person who was working made me move my dark eldar so he could get his furioso and sanguinary guard out just because we were winning, although next turn he was staring down the barrels of 6 void lances!
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Tournament record: (W/D/L)
Space wolves : 1/1/1
Dark Eldar : 6/0/1 (1 overall win)
Daemons :8/0/2 (1 overall win)
Normal games starting 5/11/12:
Dark Eldar 13/0/1
Daemons 32/1/1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 18:13:54
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Perhaps it's just me but...
Another time i was in the same place trying to buy 2 obliterators. The same random guy came up to me and told me i should buy 3 as that makes a unit.
Now......
I left with no obliterators and an escort of 2 burly shop staff.
Nobody tells me how to spend MY money.
That makes you sound like a real Jerk, or TFG.
It sounds like he was just trying to be helpful. It's not very hard to politely tell the guy what you'd prefer to do. The fact that you had to be Escorted out of store, and the way you are talking about the incident, seems like you escalated a non-issue to absurd levels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 18:40:53
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Widowmaker
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I lose. A lot. In fact when I win, it is a genuine surprise. But what I really, really dislike, is folk who think that because I am laid back about my gaming, that it is OK to cheat when playing me. Two usual culprits at my local GW. I hate having to watch my opponent like a hawk. Fielding hundreds of extra points. 'Forgetting' BS etc...and if challenged, not having a codex or army list with them. At one point, for the fifth time I had to sigh and say "For the last time, no, it cannot move or fire its guns. Because it exploded. It is a wreck. That is why you put it upside down. It is not a tank. It is scenery."
Got a bit of flack once for unpacking models at one tiny-tournie, seeing it was 'Them' again. I instantly asked for army lists, and if they had their codex with them. No on both counts. Packed back up and walked away. Got accused by a passing random for being a bad sport.
That day did not end too badly...I did some painting instead. About four lads in expensive tracksuits and baseball caps came swaggering in. I thought 'oh lord, here we go' expecting a bit of aggro. It has happened from time to time. Instead of a sneer from the lad who bobbed down next to me, he asked me how I 'got my white like that'. Blinded by his bling and a bit taken aback, it took a moment to gather wits and tell him how I did it. He kept asking questions and was generally polite and earnest...and some more tracksuited twerps came in. This lot were the usual breed though and began strutting about the place trying to pick fights.This upset the guy talking to me. Never thought I would see a pigeon-fight in a GW, two lads squaring off, arms back, chests out, up on the tips of their toes. "You startin' mate, you startin'?'" In the end the new lot left, and the original group came back over to ask if the rules were easy to learn. A staffer swept in at that point and gave them the 15 minute trial game and they seemed to have a right laugh. Automatically Appended Next Post: On second thought...it was when my wife decided to have a go at the hobby. She chose Orks, She painted them magnificently, blowing me away with how fast she picked up her skills. She thrashed me in her first game. Then she looked down and decided it was not for her after all!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 20:43:40
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Well, not the worst gaming experience ever, but it certainly was a biggie
I was still vaguely new to the hobby- goin for about 4-5 months (for me this isnt long experience wise).
I was curious about fantasy battle, as it seemed pretty cool. I ask if I can play a tutorial game. They say sure, give me some chaos knights and a mage (If I remember correctly) And they ask another guy whos played warhammer before for I think a while. He used dwarfs. I was beating him (well, I was killing his models, but he was killing none of mine) The guy was scary. He kept swearing, muttering under his breath and by the end of it he seemed ready to run off swearing and rage crying. Not a nice experience.
Looking back on it it was probably the reason I dont play warhammer. Shame.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 20:46:12
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Sasori wrote:Perhaps it's just me but...
Another time i was in the same place trying to buy 2 obliterators. The same random guy came up to me and told me i should buy 3 as that makes a unit.
Now......
I left with no obliterators and an escort of 2 burly shop staff.
Nobody tells me how to spend MY money.
That makes you sound like a real Jerk, or TFG.
It sounds like he was just trying to be helpful. It's not very hard to politely tell the guy what you'd prefer to do. The fact that you had to be Escorted out of store, and the way you are talking about the incident, seems like you escalated a non-issue to absurd levels.
Perhaps on the second bit i would have said something like "Well i was going for 2 at the moment and if that doesnt work out ill try 3!" But on the first bit i'd get a bit annoyed about strangers picking up my models. Im not that bothered if they would ask, because then it'd leave me more relaxed that they're gunna be careful.
But anyway if he argues that only 6models can fit in a rhino you'd really have to pull out your codex and show him and if he still argue'd then get your friends to back you up on your point. and if he STILL argue'd that would be the time to say "screw this, ill find some one else to play against"
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2250pts(The Grizzly Guardsmen)
WDL: 28\8\14 (All point lists)
WHFB - Ogre kingdoms:
WDL: 6/0/0 (All points lists)
The Lascannons roll.... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 21:45:38
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Dakka Veteran
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I had my online shopping cart filled with over 200 dollars worth of models during Squadron's 50% off and free shipping sale. The sale expired as I clicked to check out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 21:50:26
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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rryannn wrote:I had my online shopping cart filled with over 200 dollars worth of models during Squadron's 50% off and free shipping sale. The sale expired as I clicked to check out.
Ouch I feel for your pain...
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/17 22:00:08
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Pious Warrior Priest
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Sasori wrote:Perhaps it's just me but...
Another time i was in the same place trying to buy 2 obliterators. The same random guy came up to me and told me i should buy 3 as that makes a unit.
Now......
I left with no obliterators and an escort of 2 burly shop staff.
Nobody tells me how to spend MY money.
That makes you sound like a real Jerk, or TFG.
It sounds like he was just trying to be helpful. It's not very hard to politely tell the guy what you'd prefer to do. The fact that you had to be Escorted out of store, and the way you are talking about the incident, seems like you escalated a non-issue to absurd levels.
To be honest at that point i was TFG I'd had an irritating day, and he kept saying the words 'get 3' over and over and it was only a week after the first fiasco. I just lost it, though i didn't punch him or anything, just swore at him very loudly. Games workshop doesn't take kindly when you swear at people in their shops. Automatically Appended Next Post: Yarrick The Necron wrote:Sasori wrote:Perhaps it's just me but...
Another time i was in the same place trying to buy 2 obliterators. The same random guy came up to me and told me i should buy 3 as that makes a unit.
Now......
I left with no obliterators and an escort of 2 burly shop staff.
Nobody tells me how to spend MY money.
That makes you sound like a real Jerk, or TFG.
It sounds like he was just trying to be helpful. It's not very hard to politely tell the guy what you'd prefer to do. The fact that you had to be Escorted out of store, and the way you are talking about the incident, seems like you escalated a non-issue to absurd levels.
Perhaps on the second bit i would have said something like "Well i was going for 2 at the moment and if that doesnt work out ill try 3!" But on the first bit i'd get a bit annoyed about strangers picking up my models. Im not that bothered if they would ask, because then it'd leave me more relaxed that they're gunna be careful.
But anyway if he argues that only 6models can fit in a rhino you'd really have to pull out your codex and show him and if he still argue'd then get your friends to back you up on your point. and if he STILL argue'd that would be the time to say "screw this, ill find some one else to play against"
I did point out i only had the money for 2... like i said earlier i just lost it and turned green.
to be honest i was fed up playing him, I just said, im hungry, im off to fond food and packed up, he didn't seem too bothered. My friends were not bieng helpful that day lol.
I don't like random people, i have a bit of a short temper and get anoyed very fast, i know this so try to avoid playing pick up games just in case something happens.
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Oh man, the first monster I see I'm going to sneak up behind him, whip out my wand, and shoot my magic all over his ass.
http://www.woodvilles.org.uk/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/18 17:01:56
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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My most annoying moment was just now, when I realised I couldnt post my real ''most annoying moment'' because everyone I play is here, on dakka
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/18 17:05:36
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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Meh post your thoughts, some say its "better out than in..."
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/18 17:09:59
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Sergeant First Class
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When someone told me my orks were completley useless because of my t shirt save. This guy played BA and had an illegal army
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The day I surrender is the day the Tau get an update-40k rejects
orks-da mega stomperz (ex goffs and deathskulls)-2500pts
Black templars-1850
Vior'la sept tau-1500pts
No pity! no remorse! no fear! For the greater waaagh!
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'The longer the battle lasts,the more force we will have to use' Georgy Zhukov
'Ideas are more powerful than guns, We would not let our enemy have guns so why should we let them have ideas' Joseph Stalin |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 09:55:36
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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When someone tells me my lith scatters as he sees it, not me, then only scatters his drop pod as he sees it. (again not as i see it)
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Experience is something you get just after you need it
The Narkos Dynasty - 15k
Iron Hands - 12k
The Shadewatch - 3k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 11:17:46
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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IHateNids wrote:When someone tells me my lith scatters as he sees it, not me, then only scatters his drop pod as he sees it. (again not as i see it)
Cept my drop pod scattered into your monolith, and then used its special rule to move 1" away. . . .
So thats not REALLY a good comparison now is it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 12:26:28
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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RatWolf wrote:IHateNids wrote:When someone tells me my lith scatters as he sees it, not me, then only scatters his drop pod as he sees it. (again not as i see it)
Cept my drop pod scattered into your monolith, and then used its special rule to move 1" away. . . .
So thats not REALLY a good comparison now is it?
As I saw the dice, the lith moved almost directly toward you with a VERY slight left veer. As you saw it you said it moved almost diagonally toward Nathan.
As for your Pod, I know it can move away from stuff, but as you saw the dice it went left fith a forward veer, but as i saw it It was going diagonally towards me.
Its just I had to take both into account and you only had to take your view into account. Just sayin' in ain't really fair
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Experience is something you get just after you need it
The Narkos Dynasty - 15k
Iron Hands - 12k
The Shadewatch - 3k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 15:58:55
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Ruthless Interrogator
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The old "which way is that arrow pointing" debate. This is why I drop my scatter die as close as possible to whatever's scattering.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 16:36:04
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Dakka does not have the bandwidth to handle my list of annoying moments.
Generally, they boil down to the poor attitudes of some players.
That, or the magic phase in fantasy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 16:48:49
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Widowmaker
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The moment when you muse over how you have not stabbed yourself for years. Then promptly stab yourself. Not with a tool, but with a spiky ork bit. And draw blood.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 16:54:41
Subject: Re:The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Fixture of Dakka
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This is my opponent's moment (caused by me)
When your 275pt Sanguinor gets put down by 5 DC and a Reclusiarch whilst only inflicting one wound on the Reclusiarch, who has 2 left. After that he packed up and left.
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BlapBlapBlap: bringing idiocy and mischief where it should never set foot since 2011.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 17:03:44
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Fireknife Shas'el
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I don't game much anymore (time/budget constraints) so I really haven't had an annoying moment in forever. I remember back in 3rd edition, a DE player refused to believe that Pulse Rifles were S5 and wouldn't play me because that was clearly cheating on my part.
Never mind the fact that if and when he got into assault range with his super-duper Archon unit the whole Tau army would die in about .6 seconds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/19 17:07:18
Subject: The most annoying moment of your wargaming life
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Probably belongs in the old "Wargaming Injuries" thread, but I'd rather not necro it.
I sliced the monkey crap out of my thumb on Saturday while drilling out a bolter barrel.
Friends don't let friends model while drunk!
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