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i played a ork foot slogger list against this guy who was playing marines. He told me he was going to have to proxy a few units. I think EVERY special weapon he fielded was a proxy. He fielded no vehicles and i am pretty sure he spec'd his list to beat me due to the vast number of plasma cannon and HB he had. Then, when we set up terrain he said lets take turns putting one piece at a time on the board. So he took the biggest peices and put them either at the side or the back o the board. The hill he lined the back of the board allowed his gunline unobstructed lines of fire into my warband. Only ONE ork made it across the board and into his lines.

Another time i entered a tourni with a guy i had never met. He posted on the local forum that everyone else sucked and that we could pay him not to play in the tourni since we would just loose to his amazing skill at stealing objectives with his space elf army. So I spec'd my list to beat his and won. He then complained about how he haddnt read the mission and had not realised that there was secondary objectives (there always are). When he lost the tourni he stormed out. Normally i wont spec my list to beat someone but he had said that he was the best and all that. With superior skill the disadvantage he faced should have been minimal.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I was playing some guy's Witch Hunters, and my shining spears were about to charge at his sisters repentia.

I said: I might as well shoot them - it won't make any difference [ie it won't put me out of charge range if causalties are removed]
He said: yeah, sure

Then I shot them, wounded 1 model, he announced that repentia had a special rule causing them to charge forward when shot, and if they contacted an enemy unit they counted as charging. So my shining spears got slaughtered. The pissy thing about this is I said very clearly at the start of the game "I've never played against Witch Hunters before". The d-bag was also really cagey, no army list, and toward the end of the game he seemed to have every relevant upgrade on his models.

I guess you were really peeved when you found out that they have no such rule, huh?

? I made him show me in the codex, and it was right there in black and white. On taking a wound by shooting, they move forward d6 or 2d6, I forget, and if they contact an enemy they start combat next turn as if they had charged. Did my opponent pull some sort of Darren Brown mind trick on me?

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I was playing some guy's Witch Hunters, and my shining spears were about to charge at his sisters repentia.

I said: I might as well shoot them - it won't make any difference [ie it won't put me out of charge range if causalties are removed]
He said: yeah, sure

Then I shot them, wounded 1 model, he announced that repentia had a special rule causing them to charge forward when shot, and if they contacted an enemy unit they counted as charging. So my shining spears got slaughtered. The pissy thing about this is I said very clearly at the start of the game "I've never played against Witch Hunters before". The d-bag was also really cagey, no army list, and toward the end of the game he seemed to have every relevant upgrade on his models.

I guess you were really peeved when you found out that they have no such rule, huh?

? I made him show me in the codex, and it was right there in black and white. On taking a wound by shooting, they move forward d6 or 2d6, I forget, and if they contact an enemy they start combat next turn as if they had charged. Did my opponent pull some sort of Darren Brown mind trick on me?

Possibly, considering that in this case you should have gotten the charge. See bold print for why.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I was playing some guy's Witch Hunters, and my shining spears were about to charge at his sisters repentia.

I said: I might as well shoot them - it won't make any difference [ie it won't put me out of charge range if causalties are removed]
He said: yeah, sure

Then I shot them, wounded 1 model, he announced that repentia had a special rule causing them to charge forward when shot, and if they contacted an enemy unit they counted as charging. So my shining spears got slaughtered. The pissy thing about this is I said very clearly at the start of the game "I've never played against Witch Hunters before". The d-bag was also really cagey, no army list, and toward the end of the game he seemed to have every relevant upgrade on his models.

I guess you were really peeved when you found out that they have no such rule, huh?

? I made him show me in the codex, and it was right there in black and white. On taking a wound by shooting, they move forward d6 or 2d6, I forget, and if they contact an enemy they start combat next turn as if they had charged. Did my opponent pull some sort of Darren Brown mind trick on me?

They only move forward if they fail a Morale test (at Ld 10), one casualty probably wouldn't have even caused them to check.

Possibly, considering that in this case you should have gotten the charge. See bold print for why.

The actual wording is

In the subsequent Assault Phase

So he at least did that right.

happygolucky wrote:"I pwned you like a noob"

And you're angry at this? He's the one looking like a complete basement-bound nutjob who uses his leet speak in real life encounters when he should be talking normally like the rest of us humans. At the end of the day you're higher on the totem pole because you use proper English and he can't differentiate between avatars and people.

/rantdone

Moving on, I mainly stick to my group of friends when I want a game. There's good-natured ragging and mutual despair at the dice. Once people realize it's a game they can have a bit more fun, I've found.

Rico...

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:I was playing some guy's Witch Hunters, and my shining spears were about to charge at his sisters repentia.

I said: I might as well shoot them - it won't make any difference [ie it won't put me out of charge range if causalties are removed]
He said: yeah, sure

Then I shot them, wounded 1 model, he announced that repentia had a special rule causing them to charge forward when shot, and if they contacted an enemy unit they counted as charging. So my shining spears got slaughtered. The pissy thing about this is I said very clearly at the start of the game "I've never played against Witch Hunters before". The d-bag was also really cagey, no army list, and toward the end of the game he seemed to have every relevant upgrade on his models.

I guess you were really peeved when you found out that they have no such rule, huh?

? I made him show me in the codex, and it was right there in black and white. On taking a wound by shooting, they move forward d6 or 2d6, I forget, and if they contact an enemy they start combat next turn as if they had charged. Did my opponent pull some sort of Darren Brown mind trick on me?

They only move forward if they fail a Morale test (at Ld 10), one casualty probably wouldn't have even caused them to check.

Possibly, considering that in this case you should have gotten the charge. See bold print for why.

The actual wording is

In the subsequent Assault Phase

So he at least did that right.

Dammit, he did sort of mind trick me! I read the thing very carefully when shown to see that he really did count as charging me, but he rolled to PASS a ld10 morale check. [on recollection I probably did kill enough models to cause one] and then skillfully moved past that bit of the rule and kept me focussed on the effects. Cheating bastard!

Sorry to make you relive it, Dude.

cheating makes my lil Orc cry.

The "back-to-front scoot" with measuring also sucks. Same guy who screwed me with the walkers in CC rules above is notorious for doing that too... (Didn't know that at the time either...)

1. At 'Ard Boyz Prelims last year, I was matched up Round 1 against a kid that I swear had severe ADD. He couldn't stay at the table for more than five minutes, had no Codex/Rulebook, had an assload of "proxies" that made zero sense (A pro painted Saim Hann Vyper is a looted wagon? A piece of foam wit a bunch of crap stuck into it is a battlewagon, holding 40 'Ard Boyz no less?, CSM Aspiring Champions as Nobz?), pulled several fast ones on me only because I had not read the newer Ork codex at all (that's fething fixed) (Decided to Waaagh on turn 2, fine, except he used Ghazgull's Waaaagh without a Ghazgull model :/ ), he seriously left the damn table to go grab an IG bit out of a bitz box after he killed one of my infantry squads. WTF? If that clown is there next month, I will punish him severely for his sheer dumbassitude. I will be TFG if this guy is there.

Of course, due to this asshat taking forever to do anything, I would up drawing thanks to his (unintentional?) slow play. Wound up finishing 5th thanks to that (with a gakky list too!). donkey-cave.

Man...'Ard Boyz does not sound worth all the BS.

yamgrenade wrote:Man...'Ard Boyz does not sound worth all the BS.

It is at my FLGS, you get $60 store credit if you get 1st in Prelims. $40 for 2nd. $20 for third. Not bad for a free tourney.

Well I'm up for any free game It just seems that so many people have had bad experiences with it.

Stormrider wrote:

yamgrenade wrote:Man...'Ard Boyz does not sound worth all the BS.

It is at my FLGS, you get $60 store credit if you get 1st in Prelims. $40 for 2nd. $20 for third. Not bad for a free tourney.

Is sixty bucks worth getting tortured by try-hards, overly competitive tools and people who have the moral compass of a serial killer when it comes to their games?

Call me old fashioned, but I'll be damned if I enter a tournament to be miserable for a chance to get money.

I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just a pessimist.

Rico..

One of my worst games was back in 2nd edition. Abbadon and his Black Guard dropped into my lines (IG). I failed 11 Ld tests because of the Talon of Horus (caused Terror at -1 Ld). There was only 1 unit of 5 infantry men that did not break and run. They were shot to pieces by Abbadon and Co. 1 special character destroyed an entire 2000 point army

boyd wrote:One of my worst games was back in 2nd edition. Abbadon and his Black Guard dropped into my lines (IG). I failed 11 Ld tests because of the Talon of Horus (caused Terror at -1 Ld). There was only 1 unit of 5 infantry men that did not break and run. They were shot to pieces by Abbadon and Co. 1 special character destroyed an entire 2000 point army

I can see myself thinking of this game...*Shudder* THE HORROR!

I hear too many bad stories about 'Ard Boyz for me to even consider playing in one. I also dislike the 2500pts level.

Thankfully I never played against people as bad as some of the stories in this thread, but I have a friend who is possibly the worst loser. Kind of a bad winner too, but he brings these terrible lists that have no real theme or cohesion with hugely bloated units. Played a team match with a CSM player against IG and CSM...now that I think of it, both sides were IG/CSM...weird.

Anyways, my poor loser friend brought two six man Noise Marine squads MAXED OUT. Literally every upgrade that could be taken was on the unit. I brought something like two or three mechvets with melta and plasma and no less than four if not five Leman Russes. Two were executioners...squadroned. His poor Noise Marines never stood a chance against six plasma cannon shots when all his models were bunched up to stay in terrain. He quit shortly thereafter, during turn 2 or 3.

I hold a special place in my collection of hatreds for poor losers. Drives me up the wall and completely ruins the game immediately. Why do people forget they're playing a game with futuristic army men?

For me it was going to a tournament with my cool Eldar army, the tournament starts, and I try to cast Mind War on some random marine with a flamer and the guy across the table from me tells me I now have to roll to hit with it because of some new stupid FAQ that came out right before the tournament started. Apparently he had downloaded it and printed it out right before the tournament.

Nothing irks me more than when a rule to the game is changed or "clarified" right before a tournament and only one guy knows about it but he can prove that it really has been changed. The tournament organizer didn't even know, it was only this guy that brought his lap top to the store. It's things like that that make me never want to play in tournaments again.

It's not really the rules change that bothers me, it's the fact that the tournament organizer didn't even know about the change before it started, so he should have locked the rules so they couldn't be changed for that tournament so people don't pull a rule out of thin air and change the way the game plays all of a sudden.

This was years ago at a tourney I went to. It was one of the first 40K events I had ever played in. This guy who was, and still is, TFG had built some terrain for the local store. He was playing an iron warriors list when they could still use basilisks. It wasn't until I played him that I noticed that all of the tree templates he had built were 'L' shaped. We took turns setting terrain, and lo and behold...he could put the trees in each corner and there was just enough room for a basilisk to fit without being in the terrain. Since it could fire indirect and the rules at the time said I couldn't see it if it wasn't in the cover, he had some free blasty fun, and there was little I could do, (I played foot slogging Eldar) Fascinating lesson there.

His shenanigans continue with such classics as measuring from front to back, model nudging, rule 'forgetfulness', and my personal favorite, he heated a whippy stick and stretched it to gain extra inches on moving/shooting. Just a class act.

Why are tournaments so angry and cruel

Another one, regarding LoS rubbish, with this particuler building
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440156a&prodId=prod40001a
I got called out on a chainsword being seen through the tiny little hole just next to the larger one on the right of the pic, i called bs as it's an 'accessory', they then worded it differently saying they could see the hand got my 4+ cover though yep 4+ through that tiny little hole. Makes me question the terrain rules

GW sucks at writing good rules.

Nonsense. They just suck at writing good rules for armies where the average trooper size is shorter than 8' tall...

And then the TFG's leaf through them with a microscope for abusable loopholes.

Look at the posts after any codex or edition release, and you'll see what i mean


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darkPrince010 wrote:Nonsense. They just suck at writing good rules for armies where the average trooper size is shorter than 8' tall...

QFT!


and wearing Imperial Power Armour. Important that

Necrons are about the same height as SM, but as they aren't IOM equipped... Orks ditto, if you can get them to stand straight.

Eh I figure if you factor in the nobs and destroyers for the "average troopers" (Since you see them so damn much on the table), they don't quite fit. Nids hit a bit lower than 8' b/c the little gaunts outnumber the MCs a bajillion to one

Warriors are 8+ ft though

You can only take 15 destroyers. You can take 120 warriors.(though why would you??- i've done it before on a bet.. it didn't end well..)

Same deal with 180 boyz to 30 nobz

I would like to see a ruleset with a tad more balance, but i'm not holding my breath that long

Balanced rule set. Bwah Ha Ha HAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA.
gains composure.
That would mean throwing out all the dex that they have made since god knows when.

Having to re-learn 40k 5th with the new FAQs and actually buy the BRB in order to attend a local tourney...

Printed versions/eReaders not allowed.

sennacherib wrote:Balanced rule set. Bwah Ha Ha HAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA.
gains composure.
That would mean throwing out all the dex that they have made since god knows when.

Hence my not trying to attempt the holding-one's-breath olympic record

I know it will never happen, but it would be good if it was

When a little kid told me that Alpharius was a weakling......
Also when a kid started saying Ultramarines are the best because my codex says so!
"HA!"

The Salamander Kid from Hell threw a Land Raider at my balls because my squad of Bloodclaws beat his terminators who charge out of his Land Raider.