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chromedog wrote:
Titillation for the sake of titillation is pointless. I get erotica and the place it has. Porn is just boring.

I'm not saying I'm aroused by "titillating" models but I like being titillated, pretty much for its own sake.

Though, outrage for the sake of outrage? That's pointless.

For the sake of gender balance:

Oh, had a thought, in that Eldar rape diorama, think about what will happen next.... The guardsmen will undoubtedly be executed on the spot for consorting with Xenos...

Also for lack of discipline.

dogma wrote:Though, outrage for the sake of outrage? That's pointless.

If you're claiming I'm doing this, I would argue that this also applies to you, Dogma, for being outraged that someone dare disagree wtih your views on the subject.

I never had a problem with it.

Then I played a HackMaster tournament at a local gamestore. (hackmaster is based off 2nd edition D&D). There was a guy not in the tournament, but walking from table to table, asking to see people's painted miniatures. Then he'd ask specifically to see female miniatures. Then he asked to see topless female miniatures. He kept one hand in his front pants pocket the whole time.

I told him to get away from the table, he's disrupting the game. Apparently, anytime people are in there playing D&D or other games, he pulls this. I haven't been back to that store in years. But since then, I usually think of that guy when I see a painted, topless miniature.

kronk wrote:I never had a problem with it.

Then I played a HackMaster tournament at a local gamestore. (hackmaster is based off 2nd edition D&D). There was a guy not in the tournament, but walking from table to table, asking to see people's painted miniatures. Then he'd ask specifically to see female miniatures. Then he asked to see topless female miniatures. He kept one hand in his front pants pocket the whole time.

I told him to get away from the table, he's disrupting the game. Apparently, anytime people are in there playing D&D or other games, he pulls this. I haven't been back to that store in years. But since then, I usually think of that guy when I see a painted, topless miniature.

That is a whole other level of creepy far above and beyond the Eldar diorama...

I find the nude commisar silly, for the record. I'm not offended by it at all. Just find it silly. Why would you be running around the battlefield topless unless you were attacked in the middle of the night or something?

But then, I'd rather see that across the table than this:

Well yeah, at least it's a model... unlike... that.

I'll give him some credit for the pun

(although a lot of people seem not to get it.....

Blood.... Letters.....)

Scott-S6 wrote:I'll give him some credit for the pun

(although a lot of people seem not to get it.....

Blood.... Letters.....)

I certainly got the pun. It was quite punny, in fact. But I wouldn't play him.

I don't get the use of nude models as well, especially when people claim that it is 'art'. I know this maybe a bit of sweeping statement, but i think that it is just people fulfilling some weird childish fantasy they have, as all the nude models just so happen to be big breasted, skinny waisted women in suggestive/ sexual poses, which I find unrealistic, tacky and not how women should be portrayed. I would only be forgiving of nudity of models if it was Celtic historical's.

That's my opinion.

P.S. Sorry if I offended anyone, I admit it wasn't the best choice of wording.

kronk wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:I'll give him some credit for the pun

(although a lot of people seem not to get it.....

Blood.... Letters.....)

I certainly got the pun. It was quite punny, in fact. But I wouldn't play him.

I would play him, but true LOS would be a b*tch.

Beany10 wrote:I don't get the use of nude models as well, especially when people claim that it is 'art'. I know this maybe a bit of sweeping statement, but i think that it is just people fulfilling some weird childish fantasy they have, as all the nude models just so happen to be big breasted, skinny waisted women in suggestive/ sexual poses, which I find unrealistic, tacky and not how women should be portrayed. I would only be forgiving of nudity of models if it was Celtic historical's.

That's my opinion.

P.S. Sorry if I offended anyone, I admit it wasn't the best choice of wording.

We play with toy soldiers and some of us even go as far as making zoom zoom noises as they push their tanks across the table. A childish mentality somewhat comes with the territory when dealing with games of this nature. We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that war gaming is anything more fundamental than an more expensive version of playing with green and tan army men that all 7 year olds have at one time or another put to war.

However, as I don't think its been mentioned yet, but is it the size that matters? At what point is the nude model no longer considered a toy soldier and becoming something of a sculpture. Now not all sculptures can be 17 feet tall like Michelangelo's David. But what about 52 mm scale, 1/8, 1/6, 1/4 scale?

I personally build and paint 1/6 - 1/4 scale anime figures. Some have nudity in them, some do not. I've also done the occasional Samurai and put in a lot of time and effort into the base work. (For the curious if you click around the link in my sig you will find them) I get a lot of pleasure out of completing these models to what IMO is a very high standard and feel that doing all the work myself takes it into the area of art and not just collection action figures.

I can see a 1/8th-1/4th scale miniature being considered art far more easily than a 15mm scale.

Lol, if someone puts boobs on a 15mm model their skilled, art or not.

The Eldar rape scene shows an alternative to the traditional Warhammer 40k theme, it's normally comedically Grimdark (Orks, Space Monkeys and overall ridiculousness), but with a little work it could relatively easily changed into a seriously Grimdark universe, and the Eldar Rape scene no doubt shows how it could be

It does depend on both context, if the model is a slave then being naked is understandable. Same with a Slannesh demon, or a Celt. Even in certain armies that wouldn't normally have naked/half naked models theres the potential for nudity at times in the case of certain models, like if there was an Araby army and the Sultan had half naked harem girls it'd make sense, or if there was an army based on South American tribesmen and women.

Murdock129 wrote:comedically Grimdark (Orks

Orks aren't comedic to me. But then I don't have any need for comic relief in my 40k, so I can take them and 40k quite seriously without adding in a pointless and tasteless rape scene.

Melissia wrote:

Murdock129 wrote:comedically Grimdark (Orks

Orks aren't comedic to me. But then I don't have any need for comic relief in my 40k, so I can take them and 40k quite seriously without adding in a pointless and tasteless rape scene.

I think what he was saying is that 40k avoids things such as rape that would be a "real" factor, because it is more comedic oriented (example: orks).

Being Catholic, nude miniatures that are especially distasteful offend me. If a model makes sense and is in the context, I am okay with it. That damn controversial guard-eldar 'mobbing' scene is out of context and especially offensive. Women are equals as humans, and it is obvious that the elder are closely related to humans in this artist's depiction, in particular. This is why it especially offends me.

killykavekommando wrote:Being Catholic, nude miniatures that are especially distasteful offend me. If a model makes sense and is in the context, I am okay with it. That damn controversial guard-eldar 'mobbing' scene is out of context and especially offensive. Women are equals as humans, and it is obvious that the elder are closely related to humans in this artist's depiction, in particular. This is why it especially offends me.

Being a former catholic I find it very funny that the supposed nuditty offends you but the extreme violence does not...

I would have thought Demons and their Gods would be more offensive to a Catholics. Not to mention the Imperium worshiping the God Emperor.

The Demons make me feel uncomfortable, but then I do play a GK army

Necro wrote:Not to mention the Imperium worshiping the God Emperor.

And that as well, the whole: "God is dead, his church is an extremelly corrupt organization bent on the domination of humankind and his son was turned to the devil" seems a little bit more offensive to me than a pair of breasts...

Ascalam wrote:People with no lives, and who aren't getting any...

Those of us with Gamer wives, on the other hand...

Because nobody is allowed to artistically represent the human body in any way, and it immediately means that they are basement dwellers who don't get laid.



If you were more similar to a 15 year old I might just think you are.


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Beany10 wrote:I don't get the use of nude models as well, especially when people claim that it is 'art'. I know this maybe a bit of sweeping statement, but i think that it is just people fulfilling some weird childish fantasy they have, as all the nude models just so happen to be big breasted, skinny waisted women in suggestive/ sexual poses, which I find unrealistic, tacky and not how women should be portrayed. I would only be forgiving of nudity of models if it was Celtic historical's.

That's my opinion.

P.S. Sorry if I offended anyone, I admit it wasn't the best choice of wording.

I'm gonna TL;DR this as "Jealous ugly person accusing others of sick perverted fantasies involving physically fit fertile looking women."

Go back to painting and building your hulk and arny male models from any line and keep thinking that males should look like/do look like them.

Of course they are imaginatively proportioned, it's a fantasy miniature about space and aliens.

Untwist panties and remove broompole from rear end please.

BronzeJon wrote:

Ascalam wrote:People with no lives, and who aren't getting any...

Those of us with Gamer wives, on the other hand...

Because nobody is allowed to artistically represent the human body in any way, and it immediately means that they are basement dwellers who don't get laid.

He never said that if you represent a human body you are a sexually devoid basement dweller. The majority of people in this hobby have represented a human body in some way, whether that be assembling a model, painting a model, artwork, whatever. So does that make every one of them a sexually devoid basement dweller? No. So to interpret that as being what he said isn't correct. I think I get where you coming from by attacking the fact that it seems to imply that anyone who sculpts boobies on a miniature 'isn't getting any', because it is a bit of a generalisation. But I think that Ascalam was saying it in a rather 'tongue in cheek' manner and so there's not really a need to take it so seriously.

BronzeJon wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

Beany10 wrote:I don't get the use of nude models as well, especially when people claim that it is 'art'. I know this maybe a bit of sweeping statement, but i think that it is just people fulfilling some weird childish fantasy they have, as all the nude models just so happen to be big breasted, skinny waisted women in suggestive/ sexual poses, which I find unrealistic, tacky and not how women should be portrayed. I would only be forgiving of nudity of models if it was Celtic historical's.

That's my opinion.

P.S. Sorry if I offended anyone, I admit it wasn't the best choice of wording.

I'm gonna TL;DR this as "Jealous ugly person accusing others of sick perverted fantasies involving physically fit fertile looking women."

Go back to painting and building your hulk and arny male models from any line and keep thinking that males should look like/do look like them.

Of course they are imaginatively proportioned, it's a fantasy miniature about space and aliens.

Untwist panties and remove broompole from rear end please.

Woah calm down there, just because you don't agree with their opinion doesn't mean you have to say things like that to them.

killykavekommando wrote:Women are equals as humans

Wow. Just... wow.

BronzeJon wrote:

Ascalam wrote:People with no lives, and who aren't getting any...

Those of us with Gamer wives, on the other hand...

Because nobody is allowed to artistically represent the human body in any way, and it immediately means that they are basement dwellers who don't get laid.



If you were more similar to a 15 year old I might just think you are.


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Beany10 wrote:I don't get the use of nude models as well, especially when people claim that it is 'art'. I know this maybe a bit of sweeping statement, but i think that it is just people fulfilling some weird childish fantasy they have, as all the nude models just so happen to be big breasted, skinny waisted women in suggestive/ sexual poses, which I find unrealistic, tacky and not how women should be portrayed. I would only be forgiving of nudity of models if it was Celtic historical's.

That's my opinion.

P.S. Sorry if I offended anyone, I admit it wasn't the best choice of wording.

I'm gonna TL;DR this as "Jealous ugly person accusing others of sick perverted fantasies involving physically fit fertile looking women."

Go back to painting and building your hulk and arny male models from any line and keep thinking that males should look like/do look like them.

Of course they are imaginatively proportioned, it's a fantasy miniature about space and aliens.

Untwist panties and remove broompole from rear end please.

You just did to Beany10 what you accused Ascalam of doing, neither is very correct.

First, the depiction of females being unrealistic, the depiction of ALL models is the same level of unrealism, it's a fantasy game!
Then if you as a general could hire physically unfit soldiers to serve as your army would you? No, you want the soldiers who are gonna perform the best!

Melissa, how are the Orks not comedic to you? 90% of everything about them is a joke! That is comming from an avid Orc fan in and out of WH.

And with the arguement that tits don't belong on the battlefield, I couldn't disagree more! What better way to distract the enemy or opponent than with some sex appeal. It's been used since humans first started warring, and is still a tactic used today (sex appeal).

Erasoketa wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:Women are equals as humans

Wow. Just... wow.

Erasoketa wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:Women are equals as humans

Wow. Just... wow.

Yes I saw that statement, very odd.

I play in a lot of tournaments and most of my armies have female miniatures in them, which is difficult given GWs apparent war on boobs. A couple of these armies (notably my slaanesh daemon ones) feature nude women, mostly topless. It fits the theme of the army, but basically I just plain like having female miniatures in my army. They are pleasant to look at and fit the entire scifi female ass kicker achetype.

My ogre army is led by a female ogre (Reaper Fire Giantess mini). My Daemon army has various topless daemonettes various ranges and is headed up by three topless female keepers, including a classic Ral Partha half dragon and the beast of war one. My dark elf army is lead by a Jain Zar conversion on a dragon. My Bretts have a reaper female knight on a peg and Repanse de Lionesse as the BSB. I play Sisters because I like the concept of woman who kick ass (a sci fi staple). And so on.

I like seeing women, from plain to cheesecake, on the table because it is asthetically pleasing to my idea of the fiction behind things and more apealling to me personally than a bunch of steroided up dudebros. I really do not care what is on the other side of the table, as long as the other person put effort into it, so if someone wanted to have an army of purple dildo swinging gay jester men, I would not care one bit as long as they were happy with it. Given the source material of the genre, its a lot like complaining about anatomy of comic book women and men.

I really don't think anyone who uses nude minis (or even just cheescake ones) is a pervert. Why would they be with the abundance of free fap material all over the internet? Its nearly always either a one off joke or part of an army theme.

TLDR version: I like the way women look in the context of the genre and get over yourselves puritans.

Erasoketa wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:Women are equals as humans

Wow. Just... wow.

You probably want to expand on that statement! (im giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didnt mean quite what you said)

Last few posts have been a little bit nasty guys, can we tone it down a touch?
Its an evocative subject but no need to get personal =/