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Good to know @smacks (especially that last bit - I was worried that the double tap might be especially dangerous for Vessery if it opened him to death before primary) , thanks

Do Finn and C3P0 work as a combo on the VCX with its 0 agility, does the added blank result count as a 'roll', I'm erring on the side of no as you haven't rolled any dice for 3PO

Cheers

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Do Finn and C3P0 work as a combo on the VCX with its 0 agility, does the added blank result count as a 'roll', I'm erring on the side of no as you haven't rolled any dice for 3PO

Cheers

No it does not. Adding results is not rolling dice.

Shame but cheers anyhoo, really should have a read of the FAQ at some point but my brain is dangerous full and I worry any new info might make me forget something useful

(please note this is a dig at my aging thought process that struggles to take in new knowledge, am ever grateful to folks that digest such things to enable my lazyness)

Just got my Heroes box set and want to play a silly list with the chance to bomb people on Turn 1 with new old Han (most likely not that torny worthy but lots of fun especially once the Scrap Recovery Crane card lands)

So a quick bomb question, Sabine Wren (Crew) ability is used after the Bomb resolves right, the rulebook says "do bomb effect. remove token." and Sabine says "before a friendly bomb token is removed" so I'm guessing with Sabine that changes to "do bomb effect. Choose to use Sabine or not. remove token"

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
So a quick bomb question, Sabine Wren (Crew) ability is used after the Bomb resolves right, the rulebook says "do bomb effect. remove token." and Sabine says "before a friendly bomb token is removed" so I'm guessing with Sabine that changes to "do bomb effect. Choose to use Sabine or not. remove token"

This is correct. Sabine would trigger immediately before the token is removed, which happens after all of the bomb's effects have been resolved. However, it would be difficult to create a real-game situation where the exact timing matters.

Yep its pretty corner case but I think if you caught a couple of ships with a Proton then whatever crits happened could influence the allocation of Sabine's extra damage (I also think C-Nets are most likely better but going to test both)

Just checking, but does Imperial Kath Scarlet have the ability to to deal 2 stress during effects that give multiple attacks (i.e. gunner & cluster missiles)?

The wording of Imperial Kath is a little unclear: "When attacking, the defender receives 1 stress token if he cancels at least 1 critical result."

With cluster missiles, the card says "perform this attack twice" where as gunner says "perform a primary weapon attack"...

But the wording on Kath could be interpreted as only allowing 1 stress per (entire) attack phase...

What do you think?

I think it works with Gunner because if you look at the flowchart in the FAQ I think you resolve the Stress giving in Step 8 and Gunner in Step 9* , so I think you dish the stress and then get the gunner attack

I don't think it works with Cluster Missiles as per the flowchart you only go to Steps 8 & 9 once

*Steps 8 & 9 are broadly post attack effects, with 8 being things that don't generate a further attack and 9 being things that do

Edited following coffee and glasses !

Gunner definitely applies twice, you make two completely separate attacks and start over with the entire attack process (including potentially choosing a new target for the second attack).

Cluster missiles probably apply twice, as the trigger is "cancels at least one {crit} result", not "after attacking, do {thing}" like FCS. That trigger would happen once per attack, just like you can spend a focus token on each cluster missile attack because you are attacking/defending twice. On the other hand, cluster missiles are probably responsible for more rules issues than any other upgrade card, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was ruled to work the other way.

To use the same examples about clearing stress with green maneuvers from PTL and Advanced Sensors...

If a Brobot uses PTL and Advanced Sensors, does it just add an extra stress if it had programmed a Segnor's loop, or do the 2 straight white maneuver that is now assigned? Because I could see doing that maneuver on purpose if my path is blocked all of a sudden.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
To use the same examples about clearing stress with green maneuvers from PTL and Advanced Sensors...

If a Brobot uses PTL and Advanced Sensors, does it just add an extra stress if it had programmed a Segnor's loop, or do the 2 straight white maneuver that is now assigned? Because I could see doing that maneuver on purpose if my path is blocked all of a sudden.

Advanced sensors triggers before you reveal your dial. Regardless of whatever happens at that point you will reveal your dial as normal. If you are stressed for whatever reason you will execute the 2-straight maneuver instead of whatever was on your dial.

Nice. I'm not sure it was intended that way, but it could be useful.

Pretty basic question: do multiple obstacles "stack" to grant more than one extra evade die? The wording hints that obstructed is obstructed regardless of how many obstacles and thus grants only 1 extra evade.

It's something that comes up rarely given the limits of the range ruler, but it happened in a friendly match with me today.

Apostasus wrote:
Pretty basic question: do multiple obstacles "stack" to grant more than one extra evade die? The wording hints that obstructed is obstructed regardless of how many obstacles and thus grants only 1 extra evade.

It's something that comes up rarely given the limits of the range ruler, but it happened in a friendly match with me today.

No. You gain a single evade die if the shot is obstructed, and "obstructed" is defined by having at least one obstacle. Currently there are no effects from having multiple obstructions, though future ships/upgrades could change this.

Can someone help me with the reference for c-3p0 adding an evade result being the equivalent of adding an evade die, that can then be affected by crack shot?

I'm sure I'm right that this works, but I couldn't find a reference quickly during a match last night so conceded the point (to use CS later) to save time

Apostasus wrote:
Can someone help me with the reference for c-3p0 adding an evade result being the equivalent of adding an evade die, that can then be affected by crack shot?

I'm sure I'm right that this works, but I couldn't find a reference quickly during a match last night so conceded the point (to use CS later) to save time

There's no explicit FAQ for the interaction, but it's covered by the general rules. C-3PO adds an evade result, crack shot cancels an evade result. The only reason you wouldn't be able to cancel the evade result from C-3PO would be if crack shot happened first, but C-3PO explicitly happens immediately after rolling the defense dice while crack shot has been FAQed to happen in the (much later) compare results step.

I'm going to a summer kit tournament tomorrow for the first time, I've not played many games but I think it's fairly relaxed.

I'm thinking of taking some combination of Countess Ryad, Tomax Bren and Pure Sabacc. Is it right that Ryad can turn all straight manoeuvres into k-turns? Normally only the 4 and 5 length pieces have this alternative marked on them.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I'm going to a summer kit tournament tomorrow for the first time, I've not played many games but I think it's fairly relaxed.

I'm thinking of taking some combination of Countess Ryad, Tomax Bren and Pure Sabacc. Is it right that Ryad can turn all straight manoeuvres into k-turns? Normally only the 4 and 5 length pieces have this alternative marked on them.

Yes because Ryad says "When you reveal a (straight) manoeuvre, you may treat it as a (k-turn) manoeuvre.", meaning she can do 2 and 3 speed K-Turns, don't worry about the templates the game has developed quite a bit since the beginning and lots of possible moves aren't noted on them

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Normally only the 4 and 5 length pieces have this alternative marked on them.

This doesn't mean anything. The symbols are just a reminder that you use the same template for different maneuvers, not any kind of restriction. For example, b-wings have a 2-K and can clearly use it even though the 2-straight template doesn't have the alternate symbol listed.

Do Upgrade cards allow you to take Upgrades you wouldn't be able to have without the first upgrade ? I'm fairly certain it's okay due to the Slave 1 title giving the Firespray a Torp slot, but does this mean as the Firespray now has a Missile and Torp slot I can take Long Range Scanners ?

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Do Upgrade cards allow you to take Upgrades you wouldn't be able to have without the first upgrade ? I'm fairly certain it's okay due to the Slave 1 title giving the Firespray a Torp slot, but does this mean as the Firespray now has a Missile and Torp slot I can take Long Range Scanners ?

Yes. You can apply upgrades in whatever order you need. And once an upgrade is equipped losing the slot won't remove the upgrade that depends on it (for example, discarding R2-D6 to integrated astromech will not remove your EPT).

(And LRS on a Firespray is a fairly common thing.)

Thanks, it's for a silly Emon / Cluster Bombs list, LRS seemed like a free turn 1 Target lock, going with Extra Mun, and Cluster Mines, and playing with the Crane illicit (a bit shaky but sort of 2 and a bit bombs for 8pts)

Pattern Analyzer mechanics?

I was reading on another thread that a ship with pattern analyzer can do more than just take action after red maneuvers.

According to these folks a ship with PA could (starting from unstressed), reveal a green, take an action that causes stress/ptl and _then_ get rid of the stress from the green maneuver. Is that right? I can kinda see how it goes, but it seems a bit off (and if so, why has it not been seen on PTL Poe before now?).

Thanks folks

Yeah, we have seen that chain before.
Poe w/BB-8 and PTL

Reveal Green
Do BB-8's Barrel Roll
PTL for a focus, take a stress
Complete the green maneuver, remove the stress
check stress
take another action (can't be a barrel roll or focus in this example)

Not sure if Pattern Analyzer works as well... you need a way to take an action after revealing your dial to PTL off of.

Deleted due to slack rules reading

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
I think they might be thinking of Advanced Sensors, PA 'triggers' after you move it allows you to take an action prior to getting stress, however after that you'd need to clear stress as stress prevents actions ( see rules reference page 4)

Wrong. How it actually works is that pattern analyzer moves "check stress" to after the entire "perform action" step. If you use PTL off that action it interrupts the process and will be resolved before you get to "check stress". So yes, you can reveal and execute a green maneuver, use pattern analyzer to defer the "check stress" step, do your normal action, PTL for a second action, and then resolve "check stress" to remove the a stress token.

The reason you don't see this on Poe is that PTL Poe is bad. Using pattern analyzer instead of BB-8 helps a lot, but you're still extremely limited in your dial options and too easy to counter. And with HSCP in the meta Poe's action economy (and regen, if you use R5-P9) is very fragile.

yarp Mr P is correct, I misread where the action/stress check switcheroo happens

Targeting synchronizer question:

The way I read the card, you can use it to fire a missile/torp, spending the TL if needed to _fire_ but that, with Homing Missiles for example, you can't use the other ship's TL to reroll dice.

Is this correct?

Apostasus wrote:
Targeting synchronizer question:

The way I read the card, you can use it to fire a missile/torp, spending the TL if needed to _fire_ but that, with Homing Missiles for example, you can't use the other ship's TL to reroll dice.

Is this correct?

Correct. You can only use it when you are instructed to spend a target lock, for example, with concussion missiles. Contrast the wording with Shara Bey, who lets friendly ships treat her target locks as their own (and therefore allows them to spend the TL for any purpose).