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**BaronIveagh**

Jihadin wrote:
The plus up Baron is everything else but the automated laying of the tube. They no longer need to run out firing poles or use a collimeter to emplace the tube. They still run up by the guide stakes set up to point them into an azimuth of fire of 3-4 mils.

Israel has a crap load of drones over Gaza. Does not take a "joe" to sparkle a target.

looks familiar eh

Yeah,its the abandoned UN school we know they fired rockets from. The 5+ also does not come with PIM. And, again, is not currently used by Israel, who still use the standard A5.

**Jihadin**

Didn't notice the blur portions of the video?

The PIM modernization effort represents a significant upgrade of the M109A6 Paladin Self-Propelled Howitzer which includes buying back space, weight and power-cooling (SWaP-C) to ensure the system remains relevant with room to add new capabilities in the future.

While the vehicle's cannon will remain unchanged the PIM will sport a brand new chassis, engine, transmission, suspension, steering system, and improved survivability to go along with an upgraded electric ramming system. The new 600-volt on-board power system is designed to accommodate emerging technologies and future requirements, as well as current requirements like the Battlefield Network. The on-board power system leverages technologies developed during the Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon (NLOS-C) program and ensures the PIM will have enough SWaP-C growth potential to last until 2050.

Has very little to do with putting steel on target

**Relapse**

BaronIveagh wrote:
djones520 wrote:
That article being from the DailyCaller... well yeah, hardly worth putting a lot of trust in, but I have heard from more reputable sources that these tunnels were not coming up to military targets. They were being found coming up into schools, housing areas, all civilian centers.

These were designed for one purpose and one purpose only, terror.

Or smuggling.

While from what I've seen many had use for stealing power and basic services from civilian areas. Phone, power, even cable. That and taking delivery of, say, construction materials in a civilian area is not going to draw a lot of scrutiny as long as some actual construction is going on.

Don;t get me wrong, an inserion point is an inserion point, but given the sizes of some of these tunnels, I'm gonna say that wasn't the primary intended use for all of them.

You can say, but from what has been discovered in those tunnels and where they were coming up just about anyone else would say you are wrong. Most would see them designed for rapid movement of large groups of terrorists and materials as well as smuggling.

**Jihadin**

GAZA — Wolf Blitzer, the host of CNN’s “The Situation Room” who is currently reporting from Jerusalem on the conflict between Israel and Hamas, was shot multiple times by unknown assailants during a live broadcast from supposed underground “terror tunnels” in the Gaza strip, sources confirmed.

“HAPPENING NOW, WE’RE TAKING YOU BELOW THE GAZA STRIP FOR AN EXCLUSIVE… LOOK INSIDE THE ‘TERROR TUNNELS’ USED BY HAMAS… MILITANTS,” said Blitzer — using his trademark dramatic pauses — to his viewers, most of whom are still unsure whether he’s yelling or just has a really loud voice.

On an exclusive tour roughly 45 feet below ground, Blitzer, accompanied by the Israeli military, revealed an elaborate tunnel network apparently used by Hamas militants so they could strike inside Israel.

“THIS IS TRULY SOPHISTICATED… UH TUNNELS. YOU GET THE SENSE THAT IT MUST HAVE TAKEN A LONG… TIME, TO BUILD,” Blitzer screamed, or said in his normal voice, depending on whether you had your television volume set to a normal setting or muted. “I THINK I… SEE SOME MOVEMENT UP AHEAD IN THE… UH TUNNEL.”

According to viewers watching the live report, CNN’s camera crew panned into the narrow corridor in front of Blitzer, revealing some movement in the passageway that had been revealed by an IDF soldier’s flashlight.

“IT DEFINITELY LOOKS LIKE THERE’S SOMETHING… UP AHEAD,” Blitzer said, then noting that the dark tunnel suddenly became extremely bright. “IT LOOKS LIKE… GUNFIRE. YES, HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, WE ARE BEING SHOT AT BY HAMAS… MILITANTS.”

A brief gun battle ensued, although CNN decided to cut to a commercial break before showing what came next, sources said.

“WELCOME BACK TO THE SITUATION ROOM, THIS IS WOLF BLITZER. BEFORE WE CONTINUE OUR TOUR OF THE HAMAS TUNNELS, WE’VE JUST RECEIVED BREAKING NEWS NOW, WE STILL ARE NOT SURE WHERE EXACTLY MALAYSIA FLIGHT… 370 WENT DOWN,” Blitzer said, before adding: “HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, I HAVE JUST BEEN SHOT BY… HAMAS MILITANTS.”

At press time, Blitzer had been shot again by Israeli soldiers while escaping back out of the tunnel roughly 900 meters from a kibbutz. The officer in charge insisted they were indeed targeting him.

**whembly**

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**Jihadin**

whembly wrote:
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**dogma**

Relapse wrote:

You can say, but from what has been discovered in those tunnels and where they were coming up just about anyone else would say you are wrong. Most would see them designed for rapid movement of large groups of terrorists and materials as well as smuggling.

I tend to agree with Baron in that I believe the primary purpose of the tunnels is smuggling, with a healthy dose of militant activity; not that the two can be clearly delineated. I say this because, were I running an enclave like Gaza, I would be giving out food and basic necessities like nobody's business; at least to supporters. Doing that gets people to come to your side willingly, saving your munitions for your real enemy.

Basically Tammany Hall politics.

**Relapse**

dogma wrote:
Relapse wrote:

You can say, but from what has been discovered in those tunnels and where they were coming up just about anyone else would say you are wrong. Most would see them designed for rapid movement of large groups of terrorists and materials as well as smuggling.

I tend to agree with Baron in that I believe the primary purpose of the tunnels is smuggling, with a healthy dose of militant activity; not that the two can be clearly delineated. I say this because, were I running an enclave like Gaza, I would be giving out food and basic necessities like nobody's business; at least to supporters. Doing that gets people to come to your side willingly, saving your munitions for your real enemy.

Basically Tammany Hall politics.

I tend to disagree with him on issues of terrorism for reasons he knows.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Half time is over. Looks like Hamas is feeling froggy again. Why Israel discontinued the ground operation is beyond me...

**Jihadin**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Half time is over. Looks like Hamas is feeling froggy again. Why Israel discontinued the ground operation is beyond me...

Hamas on the hot plate now if they continue launching rockets

Edit

I stand corrected. Israel retaliated. A bit behind on the news

**BaronIveagh**

Jihadin wrote:
Didn't notice the blur portions of the video?

There are a lot of blurred portions of the video. A lot of drones don't have great cameras to begin with, and the footage is heavily edited for a variety of reasons. I might have missed it, but I do not see the (very large) UN flag that's spread over the roof of every active UN facility in Gaza when the drone pans out.

So if this is indeed a UN facility that they're firing from, it's the abandoned one that we already know about.

Also, Jihadin, I'd re-read that last sentence that you quote on PIM and then think about it for a moment, since they're saying they're shoehorning electronics from NLOS-C into a Paladin frame as part of PIM, which was very much about putting steel on targets. It implies that it's more suited to firing Excalibur. However, this entire line of discussion is academic and largely irrelevant as the US has not yet sold Israel the A5+ or A6.

Jihadin wrote:

I stand corrected. Israel retaliated. A bit behind on the news

Yeah, they were very quick behind NIJ (who were hte ones that started the shooting, this time, not Hamas (though they were also quick to get in on the action).

Just my two cents:

Gaza is Muslim Terrorists vs Jewish Nazis with a whole lot of civvies caught in between. If they just slaughtered one another I could give less of a feth, but they're going to cause a LOT of collateral damage on the way out at this point.

**focusedfire**

Baronlveagh wrote:

Also, Jihadin, I'd re-read that last sentence that you quote on PIM and then think about it for a moment, since they're saying they're shoehorning electronics from NLOS-C into a Paladin frame as part of PIM, which was very much about putting steel on targets. It implies that it's more suited to firing Excalibur. However, this entire line of discussion is academic and largely irrelevant as the US has not yet sold Israel the A5+ or A6.

Now, come on. We know there are many ways that Israel, and other US allies, get weapons tech from the US without there being any embarrassing sales receipts.

Later,
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**BaronIveagh**

focusedfire wrote:

Now, come on. We know there are many ways that Israel, and other US allies, get weapons tech from the US without there being any embarrassing sales receipts.

In the quantities they would need, it'd be very hard to do. They have a LOT of US made artillery to upgrade.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

I found this video on the property market in Gaza interesting, I though I should share.
http://vimeo.com/101819495