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There might be valid reasons, there might be racist alterior motives, there might be the need to make sure he blue shield is firmly in place...but in this case it might also be because this is the most idiotic police department in the entire state...
   
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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Relapse wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
So it looks like when police dress normally and serve the public, as opposed to dressing up like Call of Duty characters and acting like an invading force, it doesn't inflame tensions? Crazy.


It's too bad they couldn't have known that in Nevada with Bundy.
Too bad these two situations aren't remotely related.

Drop it already.


You're right, in Nevada there were no shootings or riots on the part of the protestors and some people on these threads were saying things that would have gotten them banned if the protestors were not white, along with writing hopes that those towns would be wiped off the map by the BLM.

This from the other thread, as one example of many, by nkelsch

"If a 'militia' stands up, they deserve to get whatever enters into and splatters out the back of their heads. This is not a just cause worth taking up arms for... if they going to take up arms, then they deserve to be shot dead.

Sounds like the rancher is the tyrant who is threatening the local town folk to 'support him' or risk the consequences. Faster he is removed from the land and society it sounds, the better off everyone will be.

If they were black, and in the city on public park land taking up arms while illegally squatting the land and breaking other laws, they would all be dead and there would barley be a page 12 story in the local paper about it, let alone national news."


Strange to say with all the rioting and shooting, all the rioters are not dead by police hands as nkelsch claimed, that in his opinion, they would and should rightfully be, if one goes by his logic.


Interesting double standard I am seeing here.

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dont cha know we are supposed to do one thing for one set of people,

and another for another set of people?

thats how everyone gets treated equally...


oh wait... no its not.


and how dare you take history into account, history doesnt matter for THAT group like it does for THIS group.


/sarcasm


end result is, no matter what the truth is, be it all cops are racists who shoot black people when they wouldnt have shot white people, or be it that they are saints, or somewhere in between,

no matter what the truth is,

the rioting, violence, and destruction by the mob is not justified, that is the whole point.

 
   
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Relapse wrote:

You're right, in Nevada there were no shootings or riots on the part of the protestors and some people on these threads were saying things that would have gotten them banned if the protestors were not white, along with writing hopes that those towns would be wiped off the map by the BLM.


This is so far off the topic of the thread as to be obnoxious. Drop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Here's an account on NBC:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-chief-names-darren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326
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The chief described what happened minutes before the shooting as a “strongarm robbery” at the convenience store. The police report said that Brown was there with another man, Dorian Johnson. Police also released pictures taken from surveillance video that appeared to show a confrontation.

A 911 call about the robbery came in at 11:51 a.m., according to the police chief. A minute later, dispatchers gave a description of the suspect. The officer encountered Brown at 12:01 p.m. Three minutes later, the shooting was over, and a second officer was on the scene, he said.

Police have said that an officer encountered Brown and another man on the street. They have said that one of the men pushed the officer into his patrol car and that there was a struggle over the officer’s gun. They have said that Brown ran and the officer fired multiple times.

Johnson, however, told MSNBC that the officer ordered him and Brown off the sidewalk. He said that the officer tried to thrust his car door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. He said the officer then grabbed Brown by the neck, pointed the gun at him and said, “I’ll shoot.”

Johnson also said that the officer fired shots after Brown turned with his hands up and said, “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

Johnson’s lawyer confirmed to MSNBC on Friday that Brown had taken the cigars from the store.
..

That Johnson's account...

How does the officer, still in his car, "then grabbed Brown by the neck, pointed the gun at him and said, “I’ll shoot.” "?

Brown is 6' 4''...

O.o

I really, REALLY hope the officer's side of the store is released soon. Preferably before it gets dark...

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 whembly wrote:

Brown is 6' 4''...


That doesn't mean much.

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 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Brown is 6' 4''...


That doesn't mean much.

I think he means it would be difficult to grab his neck from a car, due to height difference.

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 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Brown is 6' 4''...


That doesn't mean much.

Fair enough... maybe Brown stuck his head in the car or lowered his head to talk to the office then?

Seeing this hopping around my twittah feed:
Alleged Friend Of Officer Darren Wilson Offers His Side
A woman claiming to be a friend of the officer involved in the shooting of Ferguson’s Mike Brown called into my program offering Darren Wilson’s side of the story. Video via my show’s flagship station, KFTK in St. Louis:



Here's a working transcript:
“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”


Dana's producer just said the caller was vetted. (how do you do that????)

Eh... I don't find these sort of things helpful. She should've waited till the official report is out.

*sigh*

There's still a very LARGE crowd in Ferguson. Hoping for more calm nights.


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 Ouze wrote:
So why didn't the police department release any of this info the night it happened? Why clam up?

Watching the local news here... I can affirm something.

The Police wouldn't have released all these information today because of the on-going investigation... sounds like to me, if they had their druthers, none of these facts would be released till the investigation is complete.

But, the media found out about it (the robbery) and filed a FOIA request (it's actually called something like MO Sunshine Laws™ or something).

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Yeah, that Dana 'newsperson's' story sounds just full of it. Like someone wanted their moment of fame and vaguely knew the copper, so they came up with a story that they knew they could sell to Dana, and went for it.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong (well not really, someone is still dead, so happy probably isn't the right word), but I would be surprised if that was the actual story.

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Eh... I don't find these sort of things helpful. She should've waited till the official report is out.


It's not helpful, but that doesn't stop you from spreading it and giving it exposure?
   
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 motyak wrote:
Yeah, that Dana 'newsperson's' story sounds just full of it. Like someone wanted their moment of fame and vaguely knew the copper, so they came up with a story that they knew they could sell to Dana, and went for it.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong (well not really, someone is still dead, so happy probably isn't the right word), but I would be surprised if that was the actual story.

Yeah... agreed.

Dana actually been very good reporting the events here (her and hubby are from St. Louis).

In this case, I'm raising my eyebrows here...

How do you actually "vet" someone on the radio? Do you call someone else to confirm?


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 d-usa wrote:
Eh... I don't find these sort of things helpful. She should've waited till the official report is out.


It's not helpful, but that doesn't stop you from spreading it and giving it exposure?

I report...

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jamesk1973 wrote:
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It's d-usa, and did I say he was falsely accused?

I'm calling out people throwing the latest code-word for "black guy that had it coming and deserved to be shot and we should be happy he is off the street" around.

   
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Really? An uncomfirmed 2nd hand report from a Fox talk radio show.

That's about as helpful in clarifying the situation as the posting about the rancher that a couple of members seem to want to do once per page.

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 Eilif wrote:
Really? An uncomfirmed 2nd hand report from a Fox talk radio show.

Well... she said her producer vetted the caller... but, I'm very dubious about that. (what's the SOP to vet a caller on a radio show?)

That's about as helpful in clarifying the situation as the posting about the rancher that a couple of members seem to want to do once per page.

Yeah... agreed.

I just saw another local report that the information today (the Robbery and the Officer's name) were likely forced to be revealed due to a FOIA request.

O.o

I guess they didn't want to release it anytime soon. How long does it take to investigate, document then call press conference? Surely they've interviewed everybody by now?


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Wilson appeared to have pieced together Brown’s involvement in the convenience store robbery while he was talking to him?
Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown’s hand and realized he might be the robber.

Did Wilson tell Brown that he suspected him of the robbery because of the cigars?

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 dogma wrote:
Relapse wrote:

You're right, in Nevada there were no shootings or riots on the part of the protestors and some people on these threads were saying things that would have gotten them banned if the protestors were not white, along with writing hopes that those towns would be wiped off the map by the BLM.


This is so far off the topic of the thread as to be obnoxious. Drop it, you're embarrassing yourself.


Not really, as it illustrates how the public opinion to the law's response in one situation, wishing ill on people that are not rioting or looting, saying it is fitting officers are armed military style to handle the situation and it doesn't matter if the method of law enforcement is agitating people. It is further said these people deserve to die.
In the other scenario currently going on with rioting and looting, people are saying the police are heavy handed in thier response and look too military.
I feel it's on topic because of this it's an interesting contrast of opinion in two similar situations. Perhaps, though, it should be it's own thread.

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Race should have nothing to do with this. Its just brought into play because ignorant people use it as a weapon because they don't like someone else (the police) but people wonder why racism is actually still around when they never freaking let it go. All the raiding stores and violence isn't even because of the shooting, its just an excuse to do it cause something bad happened. People need to grow up.
   
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Relapse wrote:

Not really, as it illustrates how the public opinion to the law's response in one situation, wishing ill on people that are not rioting or looting, saying it is fitting officers are armed military style to handle the situation and it doesn't matter if the method of law enforcement is agitating people. It is further said these people deserve to die.


This is a problem you frequently run into: generalizing from comments made by different people regarding different issues. Many people, including myself, have called you on this fact, yet you still do it habitually.

Relapse wrote:

I feel it's on topic because of this it's an interesting contrast of opinion in two similar situations. Perhaps, though, it should be it's own thread.


I honestly don't see how the situations are similar except in that they both involve police organizations. Hell, the two police groups weren't even equipped in a similar fashion, deployed in similar numbers, or under similar circumstances.

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So, as far as I can tell (from the bbc) we have gone from "racist police shoot promising high school graduate for being black and walking down the street" to "man who was wanted for robbery (acting, at best, strangely, stopping cars) shot after assaulting police officer." Now, it does seem an over reaction to me to shoot someone who is unarmed, but then again you need to ask if they knew he was unarmed or not. It seems the situation is much more complex than first portraid by protesters. I am not saying the police reaction is right, but equally we are not talking about the death of someone who was completely innocent. That dosnt mean he should have died at all, but there is much more too it.

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Yes, if there is anything I've learned on these forums - from the Zimmerman case specifically - it's that polarizing stories like this are always sensationalized and often wrong. I (now) try not to form an opinion for a few days until the media stops reporting nonsense, rumor, speculation, and falsehoods, and finally have a clear, fact based story. Sometimes I'm too impulsive to do so but it's a good rule.

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There is a long but interesting story about how the Ferguson PD rolls.

Spoiler:
The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie
The officers got the wrong man, but charged him anyway—with getting his blood on their uniforms. How the Ferguson PD ran the town where Michael Brown was gunned down.
Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

”He said I wasn’t getting one,” Davis said.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

“Because it’s 3 in the morning,” he later testified. “Who going to sleep on a cement floor?”

The booking officer summoned a number of fellow cops. One opened the cell door while another suddenly charged, propelling Davis inside and slamming him against the back wall.

“I told the police officers there that I didn’t do nothing, ‘Why is you guys doing this to me?’” Davis testified. “They said, ‘OK, just lay on the ground and put your hands behind your back.’”

Davis said he complied and that a female officer straddled and then handcuffed him. Two other officers crowded into the cell.

“They started hitting me,” he testified. “I was getting hit and I just covered up.”

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis’ head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

A patrol car took the bleeding Davis to a nearby emergency room. He refused treatment, demanding somebody first take his picture.

“I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me,” Davis said.

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of “property damage.” Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.

The remarkable turned inexplicable when Beaird was deposed in a civil case that Davis subsequently brought seeking redress and recompense.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown.
“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.

“No, sir,” Beaird replied.

Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.

“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.

“It is, sir,” the cop said.

“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.

“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.

“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”

“You did, sir.”

“And didn’t you respond no?”

“Correct. I did.”

Beaird seemed to be either admitting perjury or committing it. The depositions of other officers suggested that the “property damage” charges were not just bizarre, but trumped up.

“There was no blood on my uniform,” said Police Officer Christopher Pillarick.

And then there was Officer Michael White, the one accused of kicking Davis in the head, an allegation he denies, as his fellow officers deny striking Davis. White had reported suffering a bloody nose in the mayhem.

“Did you see Mr. Davis bleeding at all?” the lawyer, Schottel, asked.

“I did not,” White replied.

“Did Mr. Davis get any blood on you while you were in the cell?” Schottel asked.

“No,” White said.

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”

“Who was in charge of personnel files, of maintaining them?” Schottel asked.

“I have no idea,” Moonier said. “I believe City Hall, but I don’t know.”

Schottel focused on the date of the incident.

“On September 20th, 2009, was there any way to identify any officers that were subject of one or more citizens’ complaints?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” Moonier said.

“Was there any way to identify any officers who had completed several use-of-force reports?”

“I don’t recall.”

But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion.

Schottel has appealed and expects to argue the case in December. He will contend that perjury is perjury however minor the charge and note that both the NFL and Major League Baseball have learned to consider a concussion a serious injury.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown on the afternoon of Aug. 9.

“Your chances on appeal are going up,” a fellow lawyer told him.

At least one witness has said that Brown was shot in the back and then in the chest and head as he turned toward the officer with his hands raised.

“I said, ‘Well, that doesn’t surprise me,’” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “I said I already know about Ferguson, nothing new can faze me about Ferguson.”

Schottel has also deposed the new chief, Thomas Jackson, who took over in 2010. Jackson testified that he has instituted a centralized system whereby all complaints lodged against cops by citizens or supervisors go through him and are assigned a number in an internal affairs log. Schottel views Jackson as “not a bad guy,” someone who has been trying to make positive change.

“He wants to do right, but it was such a mess,” Schottel said Wednesday.

Jackson has seemed less than progressive as he delayed identifying the officer involved in the shooting for fear it would place him and his family in danger. Jackson would only say the officer is white and has been on the job for six years. This means that for his first two and most formative years the officer might have been writing his own force reports and that none of them went into his file.

“It’s hard to get people to clean things up, especially if they’re used to doing things a certain way,” Schottel said.
On Friday, police finally identified the officer as Darren Wilson, who is said to have no disciplinary record, as such records are kept in Ferguson. We already know that he started out at a time when it was accepted for a Ferguson cop to charge somebody with property damage for bleeding on his uniform and later saying there was no blood on him at all.

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Now, it does seem an over reaction to me to shoot someone who is unarmed, but then again you need to ask if they knew he was unarmed or not.



I'm not saying that it was justified in this specific case or not, but in terms of general use of deadly force by police (and civilians for that matter), someone doesn't necessarily have to be armed to present a threat of grievous bodily injury or death. There are circumstances in which shooting an unarmed person would be justified, even if the shooter knows that the person is unarmed.

   
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 Steve steveson wrote:
Now, it does seem an over reaction to me to shoot someone who is unarmed, but then again you need to ask if they knew he was unarmed or not.



I'm not saying that it was justified in this specific case or not, but in terms of general use of deadly force by police (and civilians for that matter), someone doesn't necessarily have to be armed to present a threat of grievous bodily injury or death. There are circumstances in which shooting an unarmed person would be justified, even if the shooter knows that the person is unarmed.


Also something to consider just from early reports so far without knowing the full details: I am more suspicious about a bad guy getting shot in the back than I am about an unarmed guy getting shot.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 Hordini wrote:
 Steve steveson wrote:
Now, it does seem an over reaction to me to shoot someone who is unarmed, but then again you need to ask if they knew he was unarmed or not.



I'm not saying that it was justified in this specific case or not, but in terms of general use of deadly force by police (and civilians for that matter), someone doesn't necessarily have to be armed to present a threat of grievous bodily injury or death. There are circumstances in which shooting an unarmed person would be justified, even if the shooter knows that the person is unarmed.


Also something to consider just from early reports so far without knowing the full details: I am more suspicious about a bad guy getting shot in the back than I am about an unarmed guy getting shot.




I would tend to agree with that as well, if the bad guy was shot only in the back. I could theoretically see a situation where a cop could do a mag dump and the person being shot might turn right as the officer opens up and get hit in the back, although I'm not sure that applies in this case.

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It's definitely no smoking gun, but "shot in back" is just another one of those things like "wasn't armed" that should make it evident that a closer look at the circumstances is warranted.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
It's definitely no smoking gun, but "shot in back" is just another one of those things like "wasn't armed" that should make it evident that a closer look at the circumstances is warranted.


Absolutely.

   
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I do have to say that all parties involved in this need to report to being reasonable school for adjustment.

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 Asherian Command wrote:
I do have to say that all parties involved in this need to report to being reasonable school for adjustment.


The majority of the people protested peacefully and didn't cause any problems.

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