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 Alpharius wrote:
Oh, I think Peregrine's got you there!

Sherman did get there first - play's dead!

Then the whistle should have blown, and because of his motion/momentum there'd still be no foul.


Lol, I'll just stick to the tune of "the refs suck, and we need to fix them"

That tune does sound familiar!

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Oh, I think Peregrine's got you there!

Sherman did get there first - play's dead!

Then the whistle should have blown, and because of his motion/momentum there'd still be no foul.


Lol, I'll just stick to the tune of "the refs suck, and we need to fix them"

So the refs were right on this one?

Whoa!

 whembly wrote:

So the refs were right on this one?

Whoa!

Lol... if the office was right RAW, but the field refs were RAI... then there's something wrong. Quite simply put, I think that if the league felt that there was a penalty there, and it was "obvious" then they just fined the wrong person, because the person who got fined made a "good football play" because he played to the whistle.

Play was dead when Sherman jumped offsides. The Refs didn't blow the whistle fast enough.
Having been a placekicker, I can tell you once you start the kicking process, which in the pic above he had, stopping is practically impossible.
Also, Sherman could have continued past the kicker instead of rolling into his plant leg.

 helgrenze wrote:
Play was dead when Sherman jumped offsides. The Refs didn't blow the whistle fast enough.

The second is true, the first is not. The play is not dead until it's blown dead, if the kick is successful the offense can decline the offsides penalty and keep the result of the play. So until the play is officially dead the defense has to play like normal.

Also, Sherman could have continued past the kicker instead of rolling into his plant leg.

Debatable, unless you mean giving up on trying to block the kick. And given the fact that the kicker was grabbing the wrong knee and came right back into the game like nothing happened it sure doesn't seem like Sherman rolled into him significantly.

i'm not really surprised by Sherman's fine...
$9,000 will probably only put a small dent in his wallet...

i am surprised that the kicker's wife pretty much got a free pass for saying that Sherman should be castrated :(

i don't think he was trying to hurt the kicker, but i may just be biased, since i like watching the dude play...
it certainly makes for something to talk about in a slow news week like this one...
hahahahahahaha

cheers
jah

So.. my NFC East picks...
Philly over Falcons
Cincy over NYG
Pitt over Dallas
Minn over Wash.

What's your record YTD on these picks?

About 50/50.... Had one coin flip.
Couldn't be bothered with Thursdays game this week.

 Alpharius wrote:
What's your record YTD on these picks?

I was curious about that as well, and since I'm at work and have nothing to do, I went back and checked.

From what I could find, he started on Week 2 and picked the Saints over the Giants, the Eagles over the Bears, and a coin flip on the Skins-Dallas game. I would call that 1-1-1.

I couldn't find any predictions from Week 3.

Week 4 was kind of murky. He seemed to favor the Browns (lol, by the way) over the Skins, the 49ers over the Cowboys, and the Vikings over the Giants. Philly was on the bye that week. Out of those three games, I guess you could call it 1-2.

In Week 5 he picked Baltimore over the Skins, Cowboys over the Bengals, Philly over Detroit, and Green Bay over the Giants. He went 2-2 that week on picks.

For Week 6, he picked Eagles over the Skins, Ravens over the Giants, Green Bay over Dallas, and he threw in the Thursday night game, Chargers over the Broncos. 1-3 that week.

Week 7 was Rams over Giants, Detroit over the Skins, Eagles over the Vikings, and Chicago over Green Bay going 2-2 that week.

Going into Week 8, he picked Bengals over Washington and Philly over Dallas. Since the first game was a tie, I'd call that 0-1-1 but I guess the case could be made that the Bengals-Skins pick is wrong because no one actually won the game.

In Week 9 he went with Atlanta over Tampa Bay, Dallas over Cleveland, Philly over New York. 2-1 that week.

In total, that's 9-12-2.

And that's just straight up, no spread.

That is not impressive sir, not impressive at all!

(And thanks for doing the legwork there Scooty! )

Well, the Fantasy and Pick-em leagues never started so....

Mostly just doing it to for entertainment.

Besides, it does offer topics for conversation.

I was just kidding - I'm not saying I'd do any better!

I usually give an analysis of the teams, stat wise to back up my picks.
This week just didn't feel like it.

Go Texans!

 kronk wrote:
Go Texans!

Oh come on man.... they are playing the Jags. That's almost a gimme.

Solid stand from the Seahawks tonight.

With my Ravens having played Thursday, I decided to watch some teams I don't normally watch. I picked the Saints v Broncos game and Dallas v Steelers game. I'm glad I did, because they were both pretty damn good games. And the Steelers lost, which is always a good time.

So, as much as it's a win for the Broncos, anyone see the last play of the game? Probably one of the largest upsets in a game so far.

 helgrenze wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Go Texans!

Oh come on man.... they are playing the Jags. That's almost a gimme.

Way closer than it should have been! Go Texans!

Also, Dax is looking really good in Dallas. And Elliott had some HUGE runs yesterday. That O-Line is strong. Really strong.

 kronk wrote:

 helgrenze wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Go Texans!

Oh come on man.... they are playing the Jags. That's almost a gimme.

Way closer than it should have been! Go Texans!

Also, Dax is looking really good in Dallas. And Elliott had some HUGE runs yesterday. That O-Line is strong. Really strong.

Never a gimme when you have a team like the Texans.

Absolutely right about Dax- the Cowboys seemed to have a real up and comer there! Super jealous since the Texans paid a mint for a crummy QB.

Da Bears...suck. Trade everyone but Howard.


And then, of course, there's this...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bears-wr-might-have-cost-himself-big-money/ar-AAkhXeZ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

Lets see if I can get back to 50/50....

Tonight: BOREFEST 2 Saints vs Panthers.
UGH. Saints have a passing game and that's about it. They can't stop anyone. Panthers are more well rounded and have the much better Defense. Brees is in for a bad night if the Panthers D gets things going.
Carolina wins this, though it could be a scorefest.

Ravens at Cowboys
Top Run Offense vs top Run Defense. Both teams are going to have to air it out. Balti has the ballhawks to make it challenging for Dak and company.
Baltimore wins a close one.

Bears at NYG
The Bears Offense has been meh but their Defense is going to make Eli's day rough. The Giants need some help from their run game to make this one work.
Bears by 3 or less.

Eagles at Seahawks
Stat wise, these teams are about even. This one will come down to intangibles. Seattle may not have Bennett so that will make a difference. Of course with the game in Seattle, the noise will be a factor as well. Philadelphia's Special Teams should also be a factor.
Close one here as well, but Eagles should win this.

Green Bay at Washington.
Aaron Rodgers needs a breakout game, so does the Packers Coach. Again, both teams are nearly even statwise. Washington has the advantage in the passing game but the Packers Defense should stifle the 'Skins run game.
Going with the Packers on this one. It's a "Must Win" for them.

 helgrenze wrote:
Lets see if I can get back to 50/50....

Probably not with these picks!

Ravens at Cowboys
Top Run Offense vs top Run Defense. Both teams are going to have to air it out. Balti has the ballhawks to make it challenging for Dak and company.
Baltimore wins a close one.

Bears at NYG
The Bears Offense has been meh but their Defense is going to make Eli's day rough. The Giants need some help from their run game to make this one work.
Bears by 3 or less.

Eagles at Seahawks
Stat wise, these teams are about even. This one will come down to intangibles. Seattle may not have Bennett so that will make a difference. Of course with the game in Seattle, the noise will be a factor as well. Philadelphia's Special Teams should also be a factor.
Close one here as well, but Eagles should win this.

You're picking against Vegas on all of these games. I'd love to see the Cowboys lose against the Ravens, but there's no way that's happening and they're being favored by 7.5, their highest spread all season. I could see Chicago beating New York, but I still think the Giants will win that one and so does Vegas because they're favored at 7.5 points. I think the Eagles are going to have a rough day in Seattle as they've been pretty bad on the road lately (four straight loses on the road) and Seattle has been better at home (they score an average of 10 more at home). The Eagles are 6.5 point underdogs and everyone knows that the Seahawks are a tough team at home.

Green Bay at Washington.
Aaron Rodgers needs a breakout game, so does the Packers Coach. Again, both teams are nearly even statwise. Washington has the advantage in the passing game but the Packers Defense should stifle the 'Skins run game.
Going with the Packers on this one. It's a "Must Win" for them.

It's definitely a must win for Green Bay, but they're a 2.5 point underdog so I expect it to be a pretty close game. Green Bay has a ton of injuries and that will definitely play in the Skins favor. I know their rushing defense is pretty good, but they got gouged last week by the Titans so you better believe the Skins are going to try and pound the ball. If it is successful, it will open the door for the play-action like it did last week against the Vikings.

One of the big negatives for Washington in this game is the fact that it's prime time. They have a history of stinking it up on nationally televised prime-time games!

Never tell me the odds.

Still, Smart money bets against any spread over 7 points.

Philadelphia in particular hasn't lost by more than 7 points this season.
Seattle's biggest wins (7 points or more) came against San Fran, the Jets, and New England.

Every Giants game has been decided by 7 or less. Their ability to pull off last minute wins has limits.

Dallas's biggest wins have been against Cleveland, Green Bay, San Fran, Chicago, and Cincinnati, all teams with losing records, 3 of them combining for a total of 3 wins. Against stronger teams they have been winning by 5 or less.

So, what do you trust more? Some overrated bookie or the Stats you can look up yourself.

In helgrenze we trust!

Well, at least in that regard - possibly not in actual football picks though!

Watched the two big games on sunday. Dallas vs Pitt and NE vs SEA.

Dallas Pitt was probably one of the best games ive ever watched live. Such great play on both sides after an ugly first half was just splendid to watch. MVP is Elliot - that guy is gonna be a star. Best play easily had to be the fake spike TD by Roth to Brown...I've been calling on teams to run this play for years - Finally. Perfect execution of the play - the Oline stood up slowly and sold the fake so dang hard.

The NE vs SEA game was a different story. I am a NE fan and this game just disgusted me. I have never seen worse defense from NE in my entire life. The announcers kept talking about how good SEA looked and I'm screaming in my head "When the WR is open by 15 yards every catch, it's not good offense it's poor defense" - I am almost certain that the defense was playing poorly on purpose to protest the Collins trade. Seriously I've seen tighter coverage on prevent defense when up 21 points late in the game. Furthermore the refs did such a terrible job officiating. There were several blow calls for and against us.

I'll call them each out.
Edelman had a big 30 yard catch he obviously pushed off on. In contrast he had a great catch where Sherman hit him and stopped his progress instantly - no whistle and they let him strip the ball from him while in a bear hug between 2 players.

Then the final play of the game - gronk clearly interfered with in the end zone. (there is no debate about this) Defenders have the right to the ball to but they do not have the right to place both of their hands on your arms with the ball in the air. It's textbook interference. Whats really sad is every ESPN sportscaster calling it a great no call. Yep - against the pats no calls are always good in this league. Again - I saw bad no calls on both sides and can admit that SEA deserved to win the game. With how bad the pats D played we were lucky we didn't lose by 3 TD's.

The Pats D is back to how it was 4 or 5 years ago.

They bill it as 'Bend Don't Break' but they give up way too many long pass plays and the Saftey play is...not good.

So, while the offense is really good, the defense is highly suspect and will most likely yet again derail what would and should be a serious Super Bowl run.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Then the final play of the game - gronk clearly interfered with in the end zone. (there is no debate about this) Defenders have the right to the ball to but they do not have the right to place both of their hands on your arms with the ball in the air. It's textbook interference.

Correct, it's textbook interference. It should have been flagged as offensive pass interference, penalty declined, Seattle takes over on downs. The offensive player initiated contact with the defender (intentionally or not) and knocked him down. It was a good no-call if you're one of the people who says "let them play", but even if it had been called it wasn't going to help the Patriots.



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 helgrenze wrote:
Seattle's biggest wins (7 points or more) came against San Fran, the Jets, and New England.

Of course it should be noted that Seattle has been playing with an injured quarterback, and he looks like he's healthy again now. They've also been missing their starting running back, who is probably returning this week. Looking at just the final score doesn't tell the full story, Seattle's offense is likely to be quite a bit better than they have been.