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My FEC buddy is splitting two boxes to get Archregents and doesn't know what he'll do with the other stuff since he has so much already. FEC certainly have made out like bandits when it comes to good box sets.

New Skaven are tidy, aye.

Power taken away from the Stormfiends, and with loads of the other stuff getting tweaks, stops said Stormfiends eclipsing almost everything.
Vigourdust got indirectly nerfed with all the Unmodified To Hit roll wordings, but since supercharging's become more consistent, I don't find it matters so much.

Bit of a ballache with Stormfiends having to divvy up weapon options, but clear to see why, especially since Warpstone sparks got proper jacked-up.

Only real gripe I've got with the book is the fact that the Screaming Bell no longer gives you an insta-win on a roll of 13.

Are Skaven mushed back together like Beasts of Chaos? Are clans still separate e.g. can one play clan skrye or pestilens? What happened to the stormvermin? Is Mr. Grey Seer an ally or can any clan use him?

Bojigwe wrote:
Are Skaven mushed back together like Beasts of Chaos? Are clans still separate e.g. can one play clan skrye or pestilens? What happened to the stormvermin? Is Mr. Grey Seer an ally or can any clan use him?

You can play them mixed or as a single clan.


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 Buddingsquaw wrote:
New Skaven are tidy, aye.

Power taken away from the Stormfiends, and with loads of the other stuff getting tweaks, stops said Stormfiends eclipsing almost everything.
Vigourdust got indirectly nerfed with all the Unmodified To Hit roll wordings, but since supercharging's become more consistent, I don't find it matters so much.

Bit of a ballache with Stormfiends having to divvy up weapon options, but clear to see why, especially since Warpstone sparks got proper jacked-up.

Only real gripe I've got with the book is the fact that the Screaming Bell no longer gives you an insta-win on a roll of 13.

I think they got better. Warpfire cannot snipe now but does more damage on average unless the target has 8 models or less in range. Windlaunchers got considerably better. There are a half dozen ways to give them re-rolls or bonus damage, and they cost less.


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General question; are plague monks now the best swarm unit in the game? They were a bit too strong before and they just got +1 to hit at 20+ and +1 to wound at 30+.

So the interpretation for feeding frenzy is that first means first per combat phase, not first per battle?

Both Idoneth and Maggotkin are getting their Start Collecting boxes next week!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/17/pre-order-next-week-start-collecting-sets-boards-and-a-very-special-commissar/

Daughters of Khaine are glaring at both but overall looks like a solid release! Gives both those armies a SC set which they've needed.
Of course it means next week is a bit weaker on models (nothing shiny new) save for the new Black Library character for Imperial Guard - then again next week is Black Library week so there's new short stories every day and a general ramping up of stuff for them; so makes sense that there isn't a big central store release.


AoS wise I think this just leaves the new Khorne Battletome to go from the announced stuff (that wasn't just a name at the last event)

I'm pretty happy seeing that Maggotkin one.

Are the mortal Flyboys any good? Looking at the stats I think the Plaguebearer ones would be better.

They plaguebearer ones are about 20 points too cheap, the pusgoyles are about 20 points too expensive. Added together it is a 40 point swing between two units that perform the same role, so you never see the pusgoyles. However they aren't actually bad, just outperformed.

Yep anyone that spreadsheets will never take the mortal pusgoyles because there is no reason to from a math perspective.

TBF it's not THAT bad as there is context when you could want them; harbinger only affects mortals and LoA only affects rotbringers, throw those buffs in and the pusgoyles get way ahead. Pusgoyles are also more tanky.

its bad enough that they need to come down in points to make them be taken. There are a lot of units that COULD be worth their points based on subjective events happening, but when you have things always worth X and then things that sometimes could be worth X or even X + 1 if an event happened, the sure thing will be what is drawn to mostly.

To date I've never seen pusgoyles run except for when I was trying them in my list and against the more efficient powerlists, there was nothing going for them for me.

Its a combination of them needing to be a bit cheaper and their analogous unit needing to be a bit higher in cost. Just one of the other and they would still be seen here and there, both put together is what makes them seem worse than they are. I like the unit model wise and thematically so have used them a good bit; its the comparison to plague drones that makes them come up notably short.

The real problem is that they have an identical role, so obviously one will always be more efficient. They need to do different things.

I'm ok with identical roles, so long as you pay appropriate cost.

I like the new Maggotkin SC. If I had any complaint about the Pusgoyles it would be that if you want a Lord of Afflictions, you are stuck with 1 Pusgoyle you can't really do anything with since the unit size for Matched Play (and therefore any play) is 2.

I recently bought a box of Pusgoyles because I want to field the unit, so not sure if I'm buying the new SC (for me it might be cheaper to just get a box of Blightkings since I don't need the rest right now).

I don't know enough about Idoneth Deepkin to know if their SC box is any good or not.

Kind of surprised we didn't see a Skaven start collecting box show up (not Pestilens) or a Gloomspite Gitz start collecting

Carrion Empire has sold out totally from the UK store now - not even awaiting stock its fully "GONE"!

Perhaps this and the fast codex means that GW is changing how these boxes come out; instead of months and months between box and individual content; a faster delivery system. I know many Stealer fans were quite surprised at waiting many many months for their codex and models.

Plus I'm sure GW knows a lot of the duel boxes just get straight up split on ebay.



PS anyone from the UK want the flesh eaters from the box in exchange for the skaven?!

I just hope that they don't sit on the Archregent and the skaven guy, the archregent especially because he is basically an auto-include. I had to hunt ebay for one and ended up paying $40 (USD) for one, more than I had hoped (I hoped for about $30) but $40 is about what GW clampacks cost.

Wayniac wrote:

I don't know enough about Idoneth Deepkin to know if their SC box is any good or not.

I do know enough about Deepkin to comment!

So, it's a good start(no pun intended--just emphasis here) but it isn't highly repeatable for new or existing players who already have it. Soulrenders are a godsend for anyone playing Mor'phann or just Thrall in general heavy armies, but they don't synergize well with the Eels. Idoneth are in kind of a weird spot as their heroes tend to work best with one or two units and the King is generally going to be the superior(IMO) option since he actually has a Command Ability.

Kind of surprised we didn't see a Skaven start collecting box show up (not Pestilens) or a Gloomspite Gitz start collecting

I'm not. We've just seen the books for both of these factions come out, it'll be a bit yet.

Element has 50+ Carrion Empires still in stock.

I'm all set, got 1 full box and another FEC half. Well, I guess I might want another 4 Archregents at some point

Until they nerf the sweet sweet free points that those archregents can generate with no command points needed at least lol.

Yeah seems like a mistake that you can take say, 4 archregents, huddle them around the throne, and summon 4 more units all on that turn for no cost. The Archregent is supposed to be like an emperor tier I thought, how is he not a unique choice?

I don't think its a mistake. I think thats designed exactly how they and the competitive crowd that do their beta testing intended.

I do agree that from a narrative standpoint that the archregent emperor model will likely always be spammed, because from a narrative standpoint that is pretty vulgar but ... again its GW so while its narratively vulgar, it fits well with the theme of game for the sake of game and mechanics for the sake of mechanics. From that standpoint the archregent is just statistics block #491 whose narrative function has zero impact on his being spammed over and over again.

Carnith wrote:
Yeah seems like a mistake that you can take say, 4 archregents, huddle them around the throne, and summon 4 more units all on that turn for no cost. The Archregent is supposed to be like an emperor tier I thought, how is he not a unique choice?

Because he's not a named character.

"Unique" is pretty much reserved for nameds in AoS.

Pretty much. But yeah I've seen people already talk about taking like a bunch of Archregents with Gristlegore (so monsters as Battleline) and then summon in like several hundred points of models.

Of course, LoN can also do this apparently, and GW considered that to be fine.

I suspect if anything the throne will be errata'd to only allow one guy per turn to use it (representing that you have to sit on it to get its power). Something of note I found though is that the Warscroll for the throne says ABHORRANT ARCHREGENT and ABHORRANT GHOUL KING (in uppercase/bold, so a keyword) while the Azyr app says Abhorrant Archregent and Abhorrant Ghoul King (not bold, so a unit name). So if the scroll is correct it means that the mounted ghoul kings can also cast for free if within 1", while if the app is correct then it has to be the Archregent or the foot Ghoul King (the one that only summons 10 ghouls).

EDIT: Actually this might not be the case, as it specifically says "Summon Men-at-arms" (spelled incorrectly as "Menat-arms" in the app) which is the name of the foot ghoul king's ability only (the King on Terrorgheist has "Summon Royal Guard" and the King on Zombie Dragon has "Summon Courtier") but it is still inconsistent.

What they need is a rule to make command abilities once per turn in the same way spells are.

 Venerable Ironclad wrote:
What they need is a rule to make command abilities once per turn in the same way spells are.

You know, I can't see a problem with that. A lot of the command abilities have different names, so this would just prevent you from casting the same one multiple times in a round i.e. stacking one character for his ability.

Would suck for Idoneth. Really they just need to make the Archregent's command ability only work if he is the general.

As for playtesting I have heard second hand that playtesters very much do report problems and sometimes GW just doesn't listen. I think that would explain things better than competitive players all wanting to start a FEC army.

What's hilarious is Carrion Empire is already sold out in the US on the GW store as of this post. "No Longer available"

It's been out like 3 days and has exclusive models.

Wayniac wrote:
What's hilarious is Carrion Empire is already sold out in the US on the GW store as of this post. "No Longer available"

It's been out like 3 days and has exclusive models.

It's sold out in the UK too - though 3rd parties and ebay still have copies (and some of us still have flesh eaters to trade away for skaven!)

Considering how fast GW has released the boxed set alongside the Battletomes I think that they might have reacted to feedback from the earlier boxed sets and reacted to it - with a lag time because it takes time to change long scale plans. In the past we've seen these boxes come out without a Tome and spend months (almost half a year for genestealer cultists) whilst holding unique models as well.

Carrion Empire has sold out super fast so chances are the Tomes alone at launch makes a huge difference to sales. Furthermore it might be that those unique models will be on sale within weeks rather than many months.