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Hey, does anyone here have any speculations on the blood ravens primarch?
What ive found so far is that its most likely magnus the red:

1. Similarity of armors between Blood Ravens and pre-heresy Thousand Sons
2. Thrist for Knowledge "Knowledge is Power" etc.
3. Lots of Pyskers compared to other chapters

The only problem is that the thousand sons had the most prone gene seed for
mutation until they cast the spell which turned them into rubric marines although
blood ravens seem to have no problems with mutation.

Its the thousand sons. That is their Legion. End of story.
Either that or it is the Blood Angels.

Asherian Command wrote:Its the thousand sons. That is their Legion. End of story.
Either that or it is the Blood Angels.

There isn't any actual evidence only bits and pieces which sort of point towards the Thousand Sons being the progenitor of the Blood Ravens. How this happened i don't know. Why no one doesn't simply check it is also beyond me.

GW has categorically stated that they are not a Blood Angels successor chapter.

Now, how a Traitor Legion came to produce a loyalist chapter I don't know. Which is why I don't hold much stock in the Thousand Sons theory.

Doesn't fit, doesn't follow.

Miraclefish wrote:GW has categorically stated that they are not a Blood Angels successor chapter.

Now, how a Traitor Legion came to produce a loyalist chapter I don't know. Which is why I don't hold much stock in the Thousand Sons theory.

Doesn't fit, doesn't follow.

Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

I'd guess that magnus is their primarch.

My theory:
The original blood ravens were the thousand sons that were NOT on prospero when Russ attacked. Eventually, they realized their legion turned traitor, so they pledged themselves to the Emprah. The emperor forgave them (since these guys didn't really do any nasty heresy stuff) and they created their own chapter after the heresy. There ya go.

I also think they use some other gene-seed (not thousand son geneseed) to avoid the flesh change...But they still have an aptitude for psychic power, so I dunno.


Their armour is very similar, they're charactaristics are similar, and their mysteriousness is very similar. Totally a 'successor' of the sons.

The main reason why the flesh change happened was because they used their powers unchecked, and used it too much.

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

Asherian Command wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:GW has categorically stated that they are not a Blood Angels successor chapter.

Now, how a Traitor Legion came to produce a loyalist chapter I don't know. Which is why I don't hold much stock in the Thousand Sons theory.

Doesn't fit, doesn't follow.

Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Mars has the geneseed storage.
And why would they create a chapter from traitor geneseed when they could easily make one from loyalist gene-seed.
Also the traitor gene-seed is in stasis behind a metric ton of security and never gets used.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

You haven't read the 21st founding fluff have you? the geneseed is locked in a vault on terra. And sometimes when things get desperate you make a really really bad decision that effects you later on. So it would make sense that they would do that.

That's what the Cursed Foundings are-- bad decisions. But the Blood Ravens have been mostly loyal...



... so they're watched like all the Cursed Founding chapters are, but otherwise the Inquisition hasn't had to censure them much.

Asherian Command wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

You haven't read the 21st founding fluff have you? the geneseed is locked in a vault on terra. And sometimes when things get desperate you make a really really bad decision that effects you later on. So it would make sense that they would do that.

Where in the 21st founding fluff does it say they used traitor legion's geneseed? it says of trying to fix the flaws in geneseed's and as even the most loyal first founding chapters have flawed geneseed, it is most likely refering to those geneseeds.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

You haven't read the 21st founding fluff have you? the geneseed is locked in a vault on terra. And sometimes when things get desperate you make a really really bad decision that effects you later on. So it would make sense that they would do that.

Where in the 21st founding fluff does it say they used traitor legion's geneseed? it says of trying to fix the flaws in geneseed's and as even the most loyal first founding chapters have flawed geneseed, it is most likely refering to those geneseeds.

Thats the point for the 21st founding fluff. WE DON'T KNOW!
I mean it has to be one of the most illusive bits of 40k I have ever read. There is only 5 pages on it. And even then it doesn't have anything else. So believe the 21st founding was an attempt create new geneseed from a new Primarch. We literally have no Idea. It is also theorized it was an attempt to recover the heretics geneseed and reinstate them into loyal factions. But this went down hill when the 21st founding subjects went insane and killed the entire science team.

Asherian Command wrote:Thats the point for the 21st founding fluff. WE DON'T KNOW!

Therefore it doesn't help your point in the arguement and goes against the near 100% of fluff that states that the IoM, the high lords of terra, the emperor and the techpriests of mars (those that store geneseed and make chapters) HATE chaos and see anything related to the traitor legions as vile.

It is Magnus and they are 1k sons end of story.

all the evidence(what little exists) points to them being 1k sons successors.

at the end of the 1k sons HH book



the DoW games have dropped VERY subtle hints of a dark secret.

the Blood Raven and 1k sons preheresy colors are almost identical too.

Grey Templar wrote:all the evidence(what little exists) points to them being 1k sons successors.

at the end of the 1k sons HH book

Spoiler:

there is a vision of a Raven rising out of the ashes of Prospero. the Raven is also a common fetish used by the 1k sons

the DoW games have dropped VERY subtle hints of a dark secret.

the Blood Raven and 1k sons preheresy colors are almost identical too.

Yeah they have hinted it. Alot.

The are only hints if you're already thinking along those lines.

well is possable thay where trying to fix the prob with the traitor geen seed

and the blood ravens are the exsperament

The big problem with Blood Ravens is that there's basically (at least) 2 'canons' for them.

There's Relics for the Dawn of War games, then there's GWs (and arguably a third with Goto's... stuff).

One of the big problems I find with the 1000 Sons thing, is while it meshes great with what GW has shown and their sources. - I don't even think that in the computer games, the 1000 Sons have even remotely been mentioned, aside from the odd item or the like. Instead the games look like they push the Word Bearers more.

So, I think there's no real answer to it, because we're dealing with two sources, both arguably 'fact' which result in two different outcomes.

What we can agree on though, is that they were most likely spawned from a Traitor Legion, hence their dark, mostly forgotten past.

Without a single doubt, the Blood Ravens are successors to the Thousand Sons, and in no way shape or form related to the Blood Angels.

But how a traitor legion came to make a loyalist Chapter, i'm baffled

crimsonfist832 wrote:Without a single doubt, the Blood Ravens are successors to the Thousand Sons, and in no way shape or form related to the Blood Angels.

But how a traitor legion came to make a loyalist Chapter, i'm baffled

The legion probably doesn't know (Assuming that they are Tsons successors)

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

Wasn't Death Guard geneseed used for the Grey Knights founding?

Retribution wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

Wasn't Death Guard geneseed used for the Grey Knights founding?

Yes, every legion had a part in making the grey knights.

Wait word bearers?
There is no freaking way. Thats impossible because Word Bearers are idiots.

Asherian Command wrote:

Retribution wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

Wasn't Death Guard geneseed used for the Grey Knights founding?

Yes, every legion had a part in making the grey knights.

Wait word bearers?
There is no freaking way. Thats impossible because Word Bearers are idiots.

The origin of the geneseed for the Grey Knights has never been confirmed afaik

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Retribution wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

Wasn't Death Guard geneseed used for the Grey Knights founding?

Yes, every legion had a part in making the grey knights.

Wait word bearers?
There is no freaking way. Thats impossible because Word Bearers are idiots.

The origin of the geneseed for the Grey Knights has never been confirmed afaik

Yeah thats true... Damn. But I always thought it was combination of geneseed.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Retribution wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Uhh you know that terra has a geneseed storage for every single legion and chapter ever known to exist right? So that shoots down your theory.

Actually thats not true, its nearly all chapters and seeing as the IoM saw fit to destroy every traitor legion's homeworld, i would think using a traitor legion to make a chapter would be one of those things that the high lords of terra would look down on and then execute you for it.

Also the blood ravens thread has only just 'finished' which discussed the blood raven origin quite abit, please use the seach function, or just look down the page, as this thread was created when the other blood raven thread was on the front page.

Wasn't Death Guard geneseed used for the Grey Knights founding?

Yes, every legion had a part in making the grey knights.

Wait word bearers?
There is no freaking way. Thats impossible because Word Bearers are idiots.

The origin of the geneseed for the Grey Knights has never been confirmed afaik

Yeah thats true... Damn. But I always thought it was combination of geneseed.

It is believed to be based on the Emperor himself, but even though people go on and on about the definate origin of the GK, their is no actual hard evidence.

The custodes are based on the Emperors seed, not the Grey Knights afaik

Also if GK were created through all the legion gene-seed then they would have the defects that both SW and BA have as well as other defects.


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Retribution wrote:The custodes are based on the Emperors seed, not the Grey Knights afaik

The custodes have a different alteration method than the SM the gene-seed of the GK s believed to have been based on the Emperor's DNA. I don't think the Emperor has gene-seed.