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Up to this point I have been playing with only small armies (500-750) and I need help creating a 1500 point one.

I have the following

HQ
Winged Hive Tryant
Tyranid Prime

Elites
Hive Guard x 2
Zoanthrope x 2

Troops
Tyranid Warrior x 6
Genestealer x 8
Termagaunt x 16
Hormagaunt x 28
Ripper Swarm x 3

Fast Attack
N/A

Heavy Support
Carnifex (Willing to convert)
Trygon
Mawloc

I prefer to go melee based but if that's not the way to go, I'll change.

I also am willing to buy more (Up to a point)

The Terrifying Terror wrote:Up to this point I have been playing with only small armies (500-750) and I need help creating a 1500 point one.

I have the following

HQ
Winged Hive Tryant
Tyranid Prime

Elites
Hive Guard x 2
Zoanthrope x 2

Troops
Tyranid Warrior x 6
Genestealer x 8
Termagaunt x 16
Hormagaunt x 28
Ripper Swarm x 3

Fast Attack
N/A

Heavy Support
Carnifex (Willing to convert)
Trygon
Mawloc

I prefer to go melee based but if that's not the way to go, I'll change.

I also am willing to buy more (Up to a point)

Hello Terror! From one noobie to another

I assume that your prime will be with your warriors, and that the Flyrant config will be floating like a butterfly and stinging like a 6000 pound bee...

The zoanthropes will should be placed in a Mycetic spore, to allow for them to pop heavy tanks early on, however, this makes them "suicide thropes" so to speak. And if they do not pop their tank, then they are all but gauranteed to die the next turn. Synapse coverage is ok.

I suggest dropping the Mawloc. It's simply not that great for a whopping 3 Pie plates a game, strking at S3 AP2. Plus if it gets locked in CC with a serious CC unit, such as termies, it can get munched through quickly, or, worse, get locked in a tarpit of units where it becomes stuck for the rest of the game and cannot re-burrow for the rest of the game.

The carnifex is a Moderate choice, but footslogging will rarely let it see combat. I'd rather place these points into more hive guard and swarm.

Generally my rule of thumb is this... 450-750 Points worth of Gaunts, then one unit of synapse for every 250 points of gaunts/needed synapse units(this rule does not apply to armies under 1000 Points) So, then I look to elites, and pack it full of Hive guard and a squad of Zoeys for the "oh so common tanks". AVOID PYROVORES, they simply don't pay their weight in points. Heavy support for me usually has a trygon or a squad of three biovores (these are very effective on most armies), and fast attack usually has around 180-360 Points of gargoyles/raveners.

I really appreciate the quick reply

First of all, do you mean Terma or Horma when you say 450-750 Points worth of gaunts?

Secondly, how many warriors should I be running?

Thirdly, what should I do with the mawloc, turn it into a Trygon Prime?

Thanks

Edit: Stupid Spelling mistake

Take off the wings because the guards can only move 6 anyway dude

Dave_Nz wrote:Take off the wings because the guards can only move 6 anyway dude

Aw... Would I be better off just not using my Forgeworld Tyrant and buying a GW one?

The Terrifying Terror wrote:I really appreciate the quick reply

First of all, do you mean Herma or Horma when you say 450-750 Points worth of gaunts?

Secondly, how many warriors should I be running?

Thirdly, what should I do with the mawloc, turn it into a Trygon Prime?

Thanks

First, it does not matter, I prefer Termagaunts, justbecause they are more numerous, however, the Hormagaunts get 3d6 for cover, and gain 3 attacks that reroll ones to hit, so they are VERY good in CC versus many enemies. I just use Termas because they get a bolter, albeit a crappy one...

Secondly, my only recommendation is to experiment. I prefer tervigons with catalyst in any list, they offer some of the best options for gaunts. A 6+ save AND a 4+ save, yes please.

Third, I have no clue what to do with the mawloc, I would reccomend a trygon prime though, I like trygons, they attract A LOT of fire, and keep it off your other gribblies for a long time. Many players will go OH NOES A TRYGON!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!

P.S. Screening warriors is one of the keys to keeping them alive.

Footsloggin wrote:
I like trygons, they attract A LOT of fire, and keep it off your other gribblies for a long time. Many players will go OH NOES A TRYGON!!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!

P.S. Screening warriors is one of the keys to keeping them alive.

I have definitely experienced the first part.

What do you mean by "screening"?

Screening means running cheaper more expendable units ahead of it to soak fire and give a cover save.

Melchiour wrote:Screening means running cheaper more expendable units ahead of it to soak fire and give a cover save.

Thanks!

Are there any suggestions?

You need to give some idea of load out on the broods. Warriors/tyrant etc have a really large choice ...

Mawloc is not as optimised as a trygon but far from unplayable. Go prime for trygon but you can keep mawloc - great v IG power blobs, ork hordes etc.

Carnifex needs to either be shooty or in a spore as it moves slowly!

No problem with wings on tyrant as long as you use him in conjunction with rest of your army. If you infiltrate stealers and drop fex and zoanthropes in pods then you can have a large bunch of your army in the backfield and not just a flyrant.

For stealers I would look to increase brood size to 10 and make a one a broodlord. Drop the ripper swarms and trim the gaunt squads down to help pay.

You can probably afford to drop to 5 warriors with the prime attached and march them up behind the gaunts. Cover and the prime should keep them alive. Maybe give them rending claws for anti-transport as with the WS of the prime (6) they won't miss that often anyway ...

For your heavy support at-least, I'd recommend swapping your Mawloc for another Trygon then adding another Carnifex.

Trygons are incredibly powerful and will be your enemies main threat and priority target, alongside the intimidating and fast moving target of a flyrant, this should enable the Carnifex brood to attract significantly less firepower, particularly if joined by the Prime.

Carnifex's can be very deadly if used alongside more intimidating targets (trygons) which will draw the fire away from them. See [http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/328565.page] for an example...

I have not glued the Mawloc together so turning it into a Trygon should be cake.

It should be noted however that this is not an army list, it's just what I have to work with