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I was wondering what a good point value would be to cap normal games. My guess would be 2500-3000 but I would like to know what the general consensus is. I'd like to plan my lists to take the full extent of the FOC without having to get into Apocalypse so any ideas would help. This is mostly because every codex has so many fun options I feel compelled to add them all, but then I end up in high points territory.

At most 5000 points would be getting ridiculous for normal games.
Apocalypse would be 10,000 or so for each side.

2500 still works within a standard codex FOC without adding stuff just to add stuff.

I've done 4000 point per side Apoc games, but felt it was rather sparse.

500 points is a lot for regular games? I'm guessing you meant 5000

10,000 points for one side! Hoo boy!

I personally feel that 5000 points is in the early stages of Apocalypse territory, as that is where you begin to have room for almost everything you want to use.

Where I live, we have roughly 15ish people at our local game store, so its 3000 points per person. Imperium winds up on top a majority of the time, but the eldar players there are VERY good, and often table most opponents, since who you go up against is completly random...

asimo77 wrote:500 points is a lot for regular games? I'm guessing you meant 5000

10,000 points for one side! Hoo boy!

Yeah i meant 5000
And that is 10k minimum though it may take a few players it is fun when you get there

I can't imagine running into many people who have 3k plus armies. I think at 2500 points you could include all the necessities and some extra fun toys, but not the entire codex.

And at 3000 you could add more bodies to squads or something.

Maybe I'll shoot for 2.5k since I have 3 armies to collect

That all sound about right?

Actually if you open the Apocalypse Codex it says that the minimum of playing a Apocalypse game is 3000pt. But waow! 10,000 pt is alot! To field the huge masses of Orks and Big Stompas! The WAARGH would be maqnificent!

Oh god think of the movement phase!

I've played in a i think 16,000 points a side game (may have been 14,000 though....) was about 10 of us playing though


Have done a couple of 3-5000 point apocs as well, just 1 on 1....I think 3000 could be slightly pushing it for one FOC for some armies, or at least you might be using things that you don't want/need just to fill points....

asimo77 wrote:Oh god think of the movement phase!

Meausure 6"-12" and then move one model up. Then push all models up, not caring if they fall down or not!

If an army can't make a points limit due to FOC we usually get another guy in to fill in the points.

Yeah screw the first 2 turns of movement! But think about the massive Close Combat ACTION!!! BOOYA
My eyes are sparkling! The thought of massive hordes of Orks butching through everything!

My feeling:

Up to 3000pts, stick with standard 40k
3000-5000, use standard 40k, but double the FOC
Anything 5000+, use apoc

Warboss ZanZag wrote:Yeah screw the first 2 turns of movement! But think about the massive Close Combat ACTION!!! BOOYA
My eyes are sparkling! The thought of massive hordes of Orks butching through everything!

At 10k points you will more than likely encounter a titan or at least a baneblade. Apocalypse has the best blast templates.

purplefood wrote:

Warboss ZanZag wrote:Yeah screw the first 2 turns of movement! But think about the massive Close Combat ACTION!!! BOOYA
My eyes are sparkling! The thought of massive hordes of Orks butching through everything!

At 10k points you will more than likely encounter a titan or at least a baneblade. Apocalypse has the best blast templates.

Screw pie plates! "Get the dinner plates honey!"

At 10k points you will more than likely encounter a titan or at least a baneblade. Apocalypse has the best blast templates.

I am not afraid of some Titan! Ill just have Wazdakka to take it down like the last one

But i havent seen the Apocalypse templates? Are they bigger or more different then normal templates?.

Warboss ZanZag wrote:

At 10k points you will more than likely encounter a titan or at least a baneblade. Apocalypse has the best blast templates.

I am not afraid of some Titan! Ill just have Wazdakka to take it down like the last one

But i havent seen the Apocalypse templates? Are they bigger or more different then normal templates?.

I could be mistaken but I think the biggest template in apocalypse games is 10" across.

Ixias wrote:

Warboss ZanZag wrote:

At 10k points you will more than likely encounter a titan or at least a baneblade. Apocalypse has the best blast templates.

I am not afraid of some Titan! Ill just have Wazdakka to take it down like the last one

But i havent seen the Apocalypse templates? Are they bigger or more different then normal templates?.

I could be mistaken but I think the biggest template in apocalypse games is 10" across.

The dinner plate!!! Ayee! Death to ,my 70 gaunts in one turn

Then there's the template of your immediate destruction. Vortex Missile anyone?

Ixias wrote:

Warboss ZanZag wrote:

At 10k points you will more than likely encounter a titan or at least a baneblade. Apocalypse has the best blast templates.

I am not afraid of some Titan! Ill just have Wazdakka to take it down like the last one

But i havent seen the Apocalypse templates? Are they bigger or more different then normal templates?.

I could be mistaken but I think the biggest template in apocalypse games is 10" across.

The best thing is there are weapons that have huge templates and shoot multiple times.
Titans are pretty badass.

My entire 2000 point army got obliterated by three Warhounds in the openning rounds of my first and (currently) only apocalypse game. I just sat and watched for the remainder.

We generally think any single army (not any side, but just any player's army) hitting more than 2000 would be going into apocalypse territory. However for a real apocalypse game, 2-3 people minimum on one team (depending on how many points each person gets).

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:My entire 2000 point army got obliterated by three Warhounds in the openning rounds of my first and (currently) only apocalypse game. I just sat and watched for the remainder.

We generally think any single army (not any side, but just any player's army) hitting more than 2000 would be going into apocalypse territory. However for a real apocalypse game, 2-3 people minimum on one team (depending on how many points each person gets).

This.
Also if there are only a few people in the game (Like 3 on each team) and someone gets taken out completly they are allowed to put everything into reserve and treating the turn they ided as the turn 1 for reserve purposes they can come in. This is usually in really massive games that are meant to take up the entire day.

Geez apocalypse sounds crazy, I think my head would just explode if I ever fielded more than 3k of anything.

Necrons have the potential for some really fun datasheets.
Maybe something calld "Legion of undeath" where you basically have dozens of squads of Necrons lead by a specific lord and his res orb gives the entire formatn it's effects instead of just the usual radius.

I pitted 6k of space marines against 6k of Eldar back in September in an Apoc Game. We easily could have done 8k each, but only had a day to play. Of the 12000 total points that were on the board to start, only 3000 were left at the end of turn 5.

Pie plates were being flung, baby. The game ended in a draw, though.

We've had a couple of Apoc Games with teams of 2. Each player had 5k of points. Those games end up being a crapton of shooting.

asimo77 wrote:10,000 points for one side! Hoo boy!

The Apoc game on Black Friday at my FLGS this year was 32500 per side IIRC (4 player teams).

Only three titans though, that made it feel sparse to me.

The highest total I've seen was this years siegeworld which was something around 325k points (total I think rather then per side).

Jack

There was GW's Tank day where everyone brought as many tanks as possible. Britain smashed France's previous record by a ratio of 3:1 or something ridiculous.

They must have played in a football stadium for that one

asimo77 wrote:They must have played in a football stadium for that one

It wasn't all in the same place it was globally though the main one was something like 200,000 points with dozens of people bringing every type of armoured mobility scooter imaginable.