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HQ - Eldrad Ulthran - 210
HQ - The Avatar of Khaine - 155

Elite - Fire Dragons x5 @ Wave Serpent - 170

Troops - Pathfinders x10 - 240
Troops - Pathfinders x10 - 240

Heavy - Fire Prism - 115
Heavy - Fire Prism - 115

Eldrad sits with Pathfinders, Guide them, Doom a target, Fireprisms sit back and take care of Armor while Fire Dragons zoom around the table providing spot removal. Avatar paints a giant target on himself and with some Fortune survives to make it across the board, or at least soak up a lot of shots.

Avatar alone is easily avoided and isolated.

You have either 2 S9 fire prism or 1 S10.........

Dark reaper and Pathfinders both require troop targets to be of any use....

I would drop the dark reapers and avatar and get some war walkers.

Eldrad is a waste at this points level. He is the best support unit in the game, but without many points to work with he doesn't have enough stuff to support and being 210pts by himself he isn't worth it until you get to at least 1750pts.

The biggest problem with this list is that you have almost no anti tank capability, actually barely any heavy/special weapons at all. At 1250pts you can probably get away with not having many ways with dealing with AV13-14 (Fire Dragons and Bright Lances) but at the very least you need a way of dropping a reasonable amount of AV11-12 (which will show up at every point level). At the moment you maybe kill 1 vehicle per turn (2 if the Avatar catches something) which isn't going to be enough.

20 Pathfinders are expensive and aren't going to do much either. There is no way you are going to keep them away from assault units or units with flamers, both of which will cause the unit to instantly evaporate. You have almost no anti tank as mentioned and no real combat units (the Avatar is slow and an obvious target for shooting and Eldrad can stall but is really just waiting for a power fist to the head) which at the very least could slow down enemy advances. Pathfinder aren't going to put out enough shooting to slow down an infantry advance either, a mob of 30 Orks or even a 10 man Marine unit could just run at you and you are very unlikely to stop them. At the very least you should be running multiple units of them rather than two big units, it would let you grab more objectives, force more pinning tests and allow you to layer them to avoid them all being assaulted and dying at once.

Don't really see the point in the Reapers, the Prisms can squash MEQ if needed and you need anti tank firepower much more than the anti infantry.

Holos on the Prisms is probably a waste at this points level as they are very expensive, even at 2000pts most lists run Prisms naked to keep them cheap. However it depends a bit if you are playing on a full size 6' x 4' board or a 4' x 4' board (which are often used for 1000-1250pt games). The main defence a Prism has against shooting is its massive range, it can sit on the board edges or right in the corners and should be able to avoid being shot by most units. If the board is smaller you could maybe justify them, but still at this points level I would

Master Metla You are extreamly depresing and go against almost every thing im about to say. Frosty scrap eldrad you can do the same thing you want to minus 100 points with a normal farseer. I sugjest getting only one Pathfinder squad. Get one dire avenger squad and a gaurdian squad with a Eldar missile launcher and dire avenger squad with exarch and balde storm. The last thing im gona say is optional in my book but its very fun to use. I sugjest you get a nightspinner. Its a grate tank with awsome range and abilaties. You should still have roughly 100 pts i think you should get some warlocks destructore and inchance are the two best warlock moves so good luck.

p.s. sorry about the crappy spelling

Eldrad wrote:Master Metla You are extreamly depresing and ...

that's a rather toolbag response... Sorry if I didn't spell out my thoughts. I suppose I should have said that if all you have is the avater running around, everyone worth their pants will simply shoot him and run away. Fire Prisms are the only heavy weapons, and you get either 2 shots with scatter or twin link for 1 300 point S10 shot... .... .. I don't think that will cut it without support. Either add more close combat to help the avatar or add more anti tank(war walkers) to help the Fire Prisms....

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Eldrad wrote: I sugjest you get a nightspinner. Its a grate tank with awsome range and abilaties. You should still have roughly 100 pts i think you should get some warlocks destructore and inchance are the two best warlock moves so good luck.

I love night spinners and run two when I can, no beef there. Warlocks are good in units of 7+, destructor or not, but require Guide... The farseer is getting expensive at this point.

Eldrad wrote:p.s. sorry about the crappy spelling

Are you really?

I don't like Dire Avengers, I have my reasons and I won't apologize for it. I have put some consideration into what was said, however, and I've altered my list above.

ok, now you have some BA anti tank in the fire dragons, that's good, plus another prism, so if that's your style that's good I suppose.

The farseers = 210. Same as Eldrad but not as good and 2 KP easier to kill. I would suck it up and take him.

That's true.

I'd really like to find a place to fit in the Avatar. If I Fortune him, his survivability doubles and he can make it pretty far across the table.

Also, I paid for it, and I want to use it.

Okay, if you want the Avatar, then take a FortuneSeer with runes of warding instead of Eldrad.

Ok sorry for the crappy spelling was not ment for you Master Melta it was to frosty. The army list i described was pretty nuetral. Your sugjestion is tank busting that doesn't work against nids, orks, and just anything that doesn't use tanks. The gaurdians with ELM pack anough punch to take out almost any tank plus a fire prism you cant loose. Path finders are good against hulking thing and them only. S 6 rending on a 4 and up and ap 1 on the role of a 6 is only useful against some things. Blade storm kills a lot of things thats y dire avengers are good plus their save. And so yay Master Melta you found out that the blood avatar will get shot at with s 6 armor save 3 invaunrable 4 you shouldnt be afraid of that plus if your smart you will use him as a distraction and flank the crap out of you oponent so once again sorry for my spelling and good luck Frosty


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EML sorry

Also i forgot to menchon i dont think you can have special charectores unless you have 1500 points or more, or so im told

Eldrad wrote:Also i forgot to menchon i dont think you can have special charectores unless you have 1500 points or more, or so im told

That was very old rules. Now, you can always take a special character.

As for your list: I'd say drop Eldrad. He's just too many points out of a limit of 1250.

I think you've got a very fun list. But, quite frankly, it's not going to do particularly well. You've got very little anti-vehicle and zero anti-horde. The combined output of your Pathfinders is only 20 shots a turn, so you won't be able to handle things like SS Termies. You're also not at all mobile, especially since your troops all have heavy weapons. An early game assault on one of your Pathfinder squads is going to be game over pretty quickly.

I'd work on either getting a lot more firepower into your list, or getting troops with a transport.

thank you Grakmar for telling me about te rule change

I don't think two units of 10 pathfinders is a very good idea. I would drop one unit and split the other up into two units of 5. Then i'd use the points to get some dire avengers. Also, Eldrad isn't a good idea in a 1250pt game, a regular doom+fortune seer will do. I also think an avatar, wading out into combat all on his own, is also not a good idea. I'd either get some more CC troops to compliment him or drop him and get something like war walkers and/or some CC troops anyway, as your list is lacking that.

IMO your list has too few units, eldar lacks the numbers, they are all but extinct sooo having 30% of your point in two models is quite high.

I would definately drop one HQ to get more troops or I think you'll get run over quite badly.

Pathfinder are good at keeping far away objectives, if they get in CC they drop like flies I mean 1 attack and they have WS3 and I4 that means that at best they might fight at the same time as your enemy, at worst they all die before they can even fight back.

So if you dont like Dire Avenger... then you're stuck with guardians.. at least they have the numbers... and one heavy weapon that can make some thaks shy..

Eldrad wrote:Your sugjestion is tank busting that doesn't work against nids, orks, and just anything that doesn't use tanks.

Well, Prisms can change to a dispersed shot, being Large Blast strength 5 AP4 not even combining both of the prisms shots. If it hits -and there is a good chance it will- die pretty quickly.

I think drop Eldrad for two Seers. Replace one squad of pathfinders for 20 Storm Guardians with two fusion guns and a warlock? Anyway, thats my ideas.