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If a mawloc deepstrikes into a group of terminators(or other non vehicle models), and the ones who survive the large blast move out of the way, can they end up in base contact and thus in close combat?

Personally I think yes because rules are permissive, and the enemy units only have permission to move MORE than the MINIMUM required distance to avoid the template if the unit is in CC and would come into contact with other enemy models.

The Mawloc can also deliberately deepstrike into a unit a models for terror form the deep, and it makes sense fluff-wise that a mawloc bursting out fo the gorund in the middle of a squad of terminators would attack and be attacked.

IIRC you can only fight in CC if someone has launched an assault.

no assault, no CC.

The minimum distance being "not within 1"", as you are required to move and moving outside of making an assault move requires you to be outside of 1"

I don't really understand the question - you are told to move all surviving models out from under the blast marker. Models that cannot be moved out from under the blast marker are destroyed.

How does anyone end up in B2B with the mawloc?

Scott-S6 wrote:I don't really understand the question - you are told to move all surviving models out from under the blast marker. Models that cannot be moved out from under the blast marker are destroyed.

How does anyone end up in B2B with the mawloc?

This.

No model can end up in base contact.

what's the dimension of the oval base? just longest and widest point? For some reason I was thinking it was smaller than a large blast marker?

Being in base to base does not mean you are in an assault.

Also, that is the strangest interpretation of a permissive ruleset I have seen.

PS fluffwise sure as hell aren't the rules

The Mawloc rule is creating an exception. It says to move the models just enough to clear the template and then replace the template with the Mawloc. The only two other limits are that they avoid impassable terrain and not be within 1" of units they were not in CC with before replacing the template.

Homer

No no and NO!

If it comes up from the ground and you end up in the middle of a squad even if that squad is in close combat you have to move either the opponents models or the Mawloc so that everyone is at least 1" away. Coming up and being in btb is not possible because in the rulebook it says a unit that is not engaged in close combat must remain 1" away from other enemy models. The Mawloc comes up from deepstrike during the movement phase and so is not, and can not, initiate an assault in the movement phase.

If it was possible it would also effectivly end your turn as your assualting you could not move nor shoot with your army.

Agreed with above, a Mawloc will not be put into an assault with an independent squad it comes up beneath. This does bring up something interesting though to me. What happens if the Mawloc comes up underneath two units in CC? According to Terror from the Deep, this is perfectly possible. However, how would one resolve said issue?

vishra wrote: What happens if the Mawloc comes up underneath two units in CC? According to Terror from the Deep, this is perfectly possible. However, how would one resolve said issue?

That's explained in the Terror rule... you move them out of the way, keeping them in base contact where possible.

place both units one inch from the mawloc, still in base to base with one another?

can you even attack your own squad like that? I'm pretty sure, just like deepstrike, if the Mawloc comes into contact with impassable terrain or a friendly unit, the mawloc moves until it is one inch from both. Is this technically a shooting attack...because then it couldn't target the unit in CC

Scott-S6 wrote:How does anyone end up in B2B with the mawloc?

the mawloc base is larger than the blast template in its long dimention

can you even attack your own squad like that? I'm pretty sure, just like deepstrike, if the Mawloc comes into contact with impassable terrain or a friendly unit, the mawloc moves until it is one inch from both. Is this technically a shooting attack...because then it couldn't target the unit in CC.

I'm not sure I follow. Mawlocs do not function like Trygons or mycetic spores or drop pods and do not themselves move to avoid things. I suggest taking a look at the Mawloc rules, because your questions are covered there pretty clearly.

But no its not a shooting attack, impassible terrain should trigger mishaps as usual (although the wording for mawloc leaves the door open for avoiding this if he's also over models) and yes if a mawloc scatters onto friendly models they get hit just like enemy models.


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the mawloc base is larger than the blast template in its long dimention

Incorrect. Trygon base is 120 mm at its longest. A 5" blast template should be 127 mm in diameter. There should be room to fit the mawloc with mm's to spare. That is assuming your template is the correct size (which considering gw whippy sticks were an inch off its not out of the realm of possibilities).

winterman wrote:
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the mawloc base is larger than the blast template in its long dimention

Incorrect. Trygon base is 120 mm at its longest. A 5" blast template should be 127 mm in diameter. There should be room to fit the mawloc with mm's to spare. That is assuming your template is the correct size (which considering gw whippy sticks were an inch off its not out of the realm of possibilities).

my blast templates are the slightest bit smaller than the base, so... yeah.