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Hi Guys,

This is a basic mech eldar list, total is 1649 points. Changes comments critique?

Eldrad

5 x FireDragon, Serpent Scatter Lazers SS
5 x FireDragon, Serpent Scatter Lazers SS

10 x DireAvengers, Exarch, Cats, Bladestorm, Serpent EML
10 x DireAvengers, Exarch, Cats, Bladestorm, Serpent EML
11 x StormGuardian, Dual Flamers, Lock, Destructor, Serpent EML

Fire Prism
Fire Prism

I think you'd be better of with enhance with ur storm guardians than destructor

The destructor gives that unit a third flame template. But I will test it with enahnce and see how it performs.

Looks quite good.
The Serpents have no stones. This could cause trouble when they cannot move and so are being hit automatically in cc.

Im new so I might just say stupid thing but since you say it is a close combat army?
Why choose bladestorm and the catapult instead of power weapon + shimmershield and defend?
I think it would give them a somewhat better survivability in CC

And as Wuestenfux said SS are a must if you want to get close IMO

Do you really need eldrad? Dual fortunes is nice but so is a third Prism ect

I would consider dropping scatters on the FDs for cannons and stones.




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Do you really need eldrad? Dual fortunes is nice but so is a third Prism ect

I would consider dropping scatters on the FDs for cannons and stones.

I would have to agree with tedurur. It's true that Eldrad is a powerful Farseer, but in my experience he is only useful if you plan to use as many psychic powers as possible during your turns, otherwise he's a 210 point sink. Not to say that he is a bad choice, though, just expensive. If you want to save points for something else, I would recommend a typical Farseer with the popular Doom/Guide combo, which costs 145 points.

I think the Prisms need holo fields, but thats my opinion.

phyrephly:

You may want to drop down to 1 squad of Fire Dragons. They're best used for taking out the really heavy tanks. Fire Prisms and EMLs can usually handle light transports. Playtest it out and see if you can.

Eldrad is really nice, but costs quite a bit at this point level. 1750 or more, and he's a definite for me. Less than 1750 starts to get tricky.

The 11th Storm Guardian could be dropped if you can use the points elsewhere.

War Walkers would be my recommendation for this list, they really are amazingly impressive.


Beachjustice:
Definitely not Enhance! Storm Guardians are simply terrible in CC. They look like they would be good, due to having 2 CCW, but that simply isn't enough to make up for their very poor stats. Enhance isn't going to fix anything. Storm Guardians are great simply as a 3x Template squad. Destructor is 100% the way to go on them.


wuestenfux:
I disagree about stones across the board. I know some people swear by them, and if you have the points, toss them around.


Lazypete:
The "C&C" means Comments & Criticism, not close combat.


Tyranid Horde:
I'm going to disagree. I like running Fire Prisms naked. They should be staying well in back, so that will help maximize their survivability. Giving out 2 Holo Fields costs 70 points!!! There's much better things to spend your points on, IMO. Although, you're definitely not alone in this choice. This comes down to personal preference.



Whew! That was a lot of specific replies.

I think its a great list actually
Nothing i would change i think!

IF you somehow save points somewhere i would personally put those points into underslung cannons for - in order: EML serpents, Prisms, dragon serpents.

Honestly think its a nice 1650 pts list!

Eldrad's nice, but a third fire prism would be substantially more effective.

Drop him to just doom and RoWarding (or witnessing, meta changes things), drop a single storm guardian, grab a third prism.

come to think of it: i second the third prism, form dropping down eldrad to reg.seer

You dont need that many fire dragons IMO all you need is one squad i say swap one out and replace it with a close combat squad like Banchees or Scorpions. Heck get rid of a transport to just have 2 elite choices close combat ones.

I disagree about droppings dragons.... especially for scorpions or banshees.

If you wanna add CC power id MUCH rather do it in the form of a seer council than scorps or banshees.

But too pricey at this points level i think.
(Unless you wanna run 3x DAVU squads + lose 1 dragon squad)

how do you figure that having 2 squads of fire dragons and 2 fire prisms makes sence. If even the slitest thing goes wrong your army will fall to peices without cc units such as these.

Well i reason that what you'd wanna charge with a CC unit can be shot up instead with double bladestorming guided avengers + 3-flamer stormies (on a doomed unit). Of course plus prisms, EMLs and scatters..

I just dont rate the eldar cc aspects very high currently (sadly, cause im a long time huge fan of banshees especially, have 3 squads of them, LOVE em)

Eldar armys are about different units working together to in the right way to take down thier enimies so how does haveing a low verity help? Also no army has only tanks in thier forces without having close combat troops if thier smart.



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Blade storm wont kill hole termy squads in one turn plus after you blade storm that dire avenger squad cant shoot for the whole next turn. But with banchees you can get off 12-20 swings with a power wepon at initiative 10 WS 5. All im saying is that eldy close combi squads are very productive when the whole army is working together.

Thanks for all the comments guys.

First thing to note, both the dragon-serpents have stones since they HAVE to deliver their cargo.

I played the list as is last night. Eldrad was amazing. Starting with two fortuned dragon-serpents racing up to a predator and a land raider, re-reoll 4+ cover.

Two dragon squads did what they were meant to do, they killed a 350pts worth of enemeirs for their 160 points invested. This excludes what the Serpents did.

Eldrad killed an emperor's champion with mind war, and my two fire prisms killed 17 MEQ modelds, a dreadnought and absorbed alot of long range fire.

I really like the versatility Eldrad provides.

Maybe it will be worth it to drop the Scatters on my dragon serpents, since they were blown off in the second turn, and maybe swap for some weaker guns.

I will udpate the list and re-post soon.

Nice to hear about the awesome result!

Yeah, Double fortune from eldrad is really nice for a mech army
Where did you deploy him?

You dont mention your avengers and stormies, how did they fare?

The Storm Guardians were lucky and each of the flamer guys killed a terminater I landed 3 wounds and he rolled two 1's for his saves.

The Dire Avengers had their own share of kill, but it was a foot Black Templar army that I faced and I spent most of the battle staying out of range, so each squad Bladestormed twice and killed a fair number of MEQ guys.

The list is much better for Objective Based games and we ended up with a spear-head annihilation. So I was keeping my troops as far away as possible because they really are easy KP's.

Eldrad was in a serpent with the one DA squad, but he jumped out to Mind War the champion and then stayed behind my Guardian Serpent to support the rest of the army.