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i need help making a winning marine list i dont mind if its not that friendly because most people in the tournament i'm playing in are playing to win as well

the points limit is 1750 points

i can get people like vulcan or Khan if needed

this is what i have to work with

HQ

darnath lysander

chaplain cassuis

marneus calgar with termie armour with 5 honour guard

cato sicarius

1 librarian termie armour

2 captains PW can have Artificier armour

1 termie armoured captain

bike captain with 2 LC

Troops

50 tac marines 2 meltas 2 PG 4 PF ( for heavy weapons i just use devastators)

10 scouts with sniper rifles

10 scouts with Mix of weapons

ELITES

16 terminators 1 CML 1 AC 1 HF

5 assault termies 2 TH/SS 3 LC ( can make more of either)

5 normal dreadnoughts 1 has assault cannon and HF

1 iron clad dread with SH and DCCW

1 venerable dread with assault cannon

10 sternguard 5 combi meltas 2 PF

1 techmarine +4 servitors (or mof)

Fast attack

3 land speeders with tornado missile launchers

18 assault marines 1 PF 2 PW 3 PP

6 bikes 1 Melta 1 PG

HEAVY SUPPORT

2 whirlwinds

2 preds 1 AC with HB sponsons and the other AC with LC sponson

3 land raiders 1 normal 2 crusaders

1 thunderfire cannon

2 vindicator

Devastators

6 missile launchers 2 lascannons 2 mm 3 HB 2 PC

for dedicated transport i have 5 rhinos and 1 razorback + 6 drop pods


So do you think you can help?

You have't said anything about dedicated transports ie how many drop pods + rhinos you have etc.
This was my list at the uk throne of skulls tourney last month

HQ

Vulkan
190

Elites

Dreadnought, multi melta, heavy flamer
drop pod
150

Ironclad Dreadnought, seismic hammer, dccw, meltagun, heavy flamer
drop pod
180

Troops
10 man Tactical squad, meltagun, multi-melta, sarge with powerfist and combi-melta
drop pod
245

10 man Tactical squad, flamer, plasma cannon, sarge with boltgun
175

5 man Tactical squad, sarge with power fist and combi-flamer
Razorback with twin-linked heavy bolter, dozer blade
170

Fast attack
Attack bike with multi-melta
50

Heavy support

Predator, autocannon and lascannon sponsons
120

Predator, autocannon and lascannon sponsons
120

Thunderfire cannon
100

1500 points

For the extra 250, i would stick in a 5 man squad of thunder hammer termies and basically gaurd the tactical squad that stays back and fires the plasma cannon from a bolstered defence using the thunderfire techmarines ability, and possibly stick extra armour on the normal dread and a twin linked lascannnon on the razor. Or else some multi-melta landspeeders.

I made this list as i like dreads. But yeah it could do with a tweak, but i won 2, drew 1 and lost 2 at this years throne of skulls. One loss was against Ghaz/kff mek/battlewagon deffrolla mob orks (need i say more) and the other was an annihilation game that finished on turn 5 when my opponent had 3 models left and i had a multimelta sitting next to all of them, and rolled a 1 for the game to continue (most ridiculous loss ever!, go figure)

the preds are there to pop transports with the dreads, plasma cannon and thunderfire going to work on whatever spills out. 5 man squad rides with vulkan in the Razor and acutally makes a decent little finisher unit as 2 twin linked heavy flame and flamer templates then charging with a relic blade and powerfist can usually finish most stuff off (not death company, thats why i stuck in the plasma cannon)


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You have't said anything about dedicated transports ie how many drop pods + rhinos you have etc.
This was my list at the uk throne of skulls tourney last month

6 dreads,6 drop pods and a MOTF model. Sounds like the basis of a fun list to me!

Assuming you can get hold of a PA Libby I would go for somethng like this

Hq
Libby - 100

Troops:
10xTacticals (mg+combiM,ML) -185
Rhino-35

10xTacticals (mg, combiM,ML)-185
Rhino-35

5xTacticals-90
Lasplas-75

Elites
5xTermies (TH)-200
LRC (MM)-260

FA
3xTyphoon-270 (separate units)

Heavy
2xVindi-230

ACHB Pred-85

1750 on the nose