Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So I was looking at the Nid units for an upcoming apocalypse game, besides the limited number of formations that still work under the new book (a big topic for later), and I think most of the GCs could use some sprucing up. With the creation of the 6 wound MC in the codex, the garganuan creatures need a more impressive statline to represent their increased size. So here we go.

Heirophant- 6++ save, not 3++

Heirodule
Barbed pts 500
WS3 BS3 S10 T8 W7 I2 A7 LD10 Sv2+5++
rules: same as now
Sythed pts 600
WS3 BS3 S10 T8 W7 I2 A5 LD10 Sv 2+5++
rules: same as now

Harradian pts 750
WS4 BS3 S8 T7 W7 I3 A5 LD 10 Sv 3+5++
rules: same as now, gargoyles are 6 pts and can take any options in the codex

what do you guys think? any major changes to the stats or points?

The only thing that needs to be changed is the removal of the Hierophant's 3++. It is just an awful thing which would add like 500 points onto it's cost already.

huh phant dont have 3++

Some people say that the Hierophant has a Warp Field, and so has a 3++, when in fact it was designed only to have a 6++, due to the 4th Edition Codex.

warp field only works on zoantrope
ironically it cant even have that 5/6++ save thanks to GG rules

Sory,we play the Heirophant with a 6++ and it slipped my mind that this was still an issue.

We need a new edition of Apocalypse. It was good while it lasted, but now it has fallen behind the rest of 40K.

Eddtheman wrote:
Heirodule
Barbed pts 500
WS3 BS3 S10 T8 W7 I2 A7 LD10 Sv2+5++
rules: same as now
Sythed pts 600
WS3 BS3 S10 T8 W7 I2 A5 LD10 Sv 2+5++
rules: same as now

7W I can understand, but what is the basis for the 2+/5++ saves?

For the Barbed Hierodule, you've upgraded its Wounds and Saves, gave it an Invuln and +2 Attacks and shaved off 200pts from its original cost. Basically, it's gotten way more powerful and much cheaper. Doesn't seem very balanced or fair to the opponent to me.

The Scythed isn't as bad. At least the cost is the same. However, the buffs to it merits an increase in its price as well. And why reduce its attacks?

Eddtheman wrote:
Harradian pts 750
WS4 BS3 S8 T7 W7 I3 A5 LD 10 Sv 3+5++
rules: same as now, gargoyles are 6 pts and can take any options in the codex

what do you guys think? any major changes to the stats or points?

Your re-work of the Harridan is a little better. It has -2 S, -1 T, +1 W, +1 A, an Invuln save now and cost 150pts cheaper. Get rid of the +1 A and set his cost to 800pts and I think he'd be okay.


You should come up with a justification as to why the Invuln saves on these GC's. Also, your Hierodules aren't very balanced. For the buffs they're getting, their costs should go up significantly, especially the Barbed Hierodule.