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Im terribly angry today..

Well, im angry most days. Ok, all days.

But i read this story...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12011868

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Asylum seeker who ran over girl is allowed to stay

16 December 2010 Last updated at 20:45 Help A failed asylum seeker who ran over and killed a 12 year old girl while banned from driving has been allowed to stay in the UK.

Aso Mohammed Ibrahim, who's from Iraq, ran away after hitting Amy Houston in 2003. He was allowed to stay in the UK and now has a family here.

Two senior immigration judges rejected a final appeal by the UK Border Agency to have him deported, saying it would infringe his human rights.

Amy's father, Paul Houston, told the BBC he was bitterly disappointed.

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Now, im pretty sure the Iraqi didnt actually purposely murder the girl. But he certainly doesnt seem arsed about it anyway.

But anyway, he killed a 12 year old girl, driving without a valid liscence, whilst banned, and fled the scene leaving her to "die like a dog" under his wheels.

He served 4 months in prison.

And i just thought.. well, im glad that nothing like this has ever happened to me, because i am pretty sure I would find that bloke and I would actually kill him. I really do not think i would be able to swallow such a bitter pill, If something like that occured in my life and not have an extremely violent outburst. I read these stories and i get genuinelly enraged about it. And I don't even know any of the parties involved. If this was to befall my immediate family members, i genuinelly would want to kill somebody.

So, all in, what do YOU think is a fair term?

I doubt he purposely killed the girl, but fleeing the scene is a really big no-no. So i say.. 6 years, followed by deportation.

What say you?

Oh and as a curious side note, If the father and you went and killed the man in question. Then pleaded guilty on the ground of temporary insanity or whatnot, do you think he would get a lesser sentance due to the circumstances?

Fair term? Mandatory surrender of your right to respiration.
Next question.

Ok, what about the second one?

If some fether killed your daughter and you went and cut him from his neck to his knackers, do you think it would be life in jail or a good lawyer could get you a greatly reduced sentence with all of the mitigating circumstances involved?

I would like to know this....

If some fether killed your daughter and you went and cut him from his neck to his knackers, do you think it would be life in jail or a good lawyer could get you a greatly reduced sentence with all of the mitigating circumstances involved?
***I wouldn't give a one way or the other at that point. My reason for existence would be over.

Now what should the guy's sentence be that ran over the girl? As noted, mandatory removal of respiratory pirvileges.

I had a friend killed on his motorbike in London. The driver was leaned over to the passenger side of the car looking for a box of tissues in the glove box.

The car crossed the line into oncoming traffic. Hit him head on. She didn't even see what she had hit.

She was fined and banned for driving for 3 months for dangerous driving! Now where is the fairness in that?

Not to sound like a hippy, but how does killing someone bring the other person back? Do you think most people wouldn't learn to drive better after that?

My vote is circumstantial. If someone has a big sneeze (an involuntary action) and turns and kills someone, do they deserve some massive, mandatory penalty that would otherwise be valid for someone who purposely got wasted then drove around yelling "I wanna get the high score! WOO!"? It really depends. If the dude has a family, does their opinion matter?

If someone kills another while under the influence of any substance, they should be executed.

Not because it brings the other person back, but as a deterrent to others, and to prevent a repeat offense.

Eye for an eye is a pretty basic emotional responce, some would say life is unfair, but do you really think it's an equal trade?

Maybe it'll make you feel better, but nothing is going to really change.
IMO, the removal of 'respiratory pirvileges', can be a worse off situation.

But if it were me, then yea I'd prob. do what Frazzled suggested...only slowly.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Not to sound like a hippy, but how does killing someone bring the other person back?

Its not meant to.

I am not in favor of capital punishment, but real prison time (5-10 years, maybe?) and a permanent ban on driving (zero tolerance you go back in prison for life if you violate it) would probably fit. Double the sentence for fleeing the scene of the accident.

The offender in the cited situation should have been ejected. He has demonstrated clear disregard for the laws of his hosting country, to the point of accidentally killing someone. After his prison sentence he should have been removed from the country and never allowed to return.

An eye for an eye makes the world go round?

I can't believe the argument that deporting him would affect his human rights and deny him a normal family life.

This guy has flouted the law repeatedly before and after this incident. He has shown no remorse. Throw him in jail , send him back or hang him*.

*A one off pay-per-view special.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Not to sound like a hippy, but how does killing someone bring the other person back? Do you think most people wouldn't learn to drive better after that?

My vote is circumstantial. If someone has a big sneeze (an involuntary action) and turns and kills someone, do they deserve some massive, mandatory penalty that would otherwise be valid for someone who purposely got wasted then drove around yelling "I wanna get the high score! WOO!"? It really depends. If the dude has a family, does their opinion matter?

This case is not one where the driver very unfortunately had a seizure. He was a multiple failed dangerous driver, without insurance, and based on the rest of his record, a career criminal.

Interesting, why hanging?
I'd think it would have something invovling an auto-'accident'...

Sanctjud wrote:Interesting, why hanging?
I'd think it would have something invovling an auto-'accident'...

Hang him from a motorway overpass during rush hour?

It's being so level-headed that keeps me going.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Not to sound like a hippy, but how does killing someone bring the other person back? Do you think most people wouldn't learn to drive better after that?

that is an excellent point. They should be killed, and their body donated to science, specifically anyone working on reanimation.

So... all im getting out of this is that if I wanted to murder people in the UK, all I have to do is rent a car and run them over.

4 months in jail is nothing compared to removing some people that I really hate.

Mannahnin wrote:I am not in favor of capital punishment, but real prison time (5-10 years, maybe?) and a permanent ban on driving (zero tolerance you go back in prison for life if you violate it) would probably fit. Double the sentence for fleeing the scene of the accident.

The problem with throwing people in jail is that it's expensive. Logically, if you're going to sentence someone to life in prison, you're doing to safeguard the community. You're removing that individual from society for the rest of their life. But, in doing so, you take on the responsibility of caring for that person, feeding them, clothing them, and so on.

There are seven billion people on this planet. We have trouble feeding them all as is. That number is expected to grow to 10 billion, or more, by 2050. Do we really need to expend resources on people who are unwilling to abide by the rules of our society to the extent that they kill innocent people? In 2006, 68 billion dollars were spent on imprisoning people. This money could be far better spent on feeding our hungry, educating our children, rebuilding our infrastructure, or simply paying off our national debt.

The only way to do that is by getting rid of the prisoners.

The father of the dead girl made the point, what about his fething right to a fething family life? He had one child, who is dead, and that's that.

The Iraqi guy has only been allowed to stay in the UK because he made it a point to have two children while staying here, so now he has family ties.

I had to switch off the radio listening to it, because I have an only daughter, with the same name and almost the same age as the dead girl. As a father it makes you sick with fear and anger.

On balance I would deport the Iraqi. (He ought to have been prosecuted for manslaughter.) His wife/partner would have the choice of going with him or staying in the UK. It will be difficult for the children, but I don't see a better way.

I'm with Frazzled on this one.

Death, immediately.

Yes I'm serious.

This thread is awesome, I am glad to know there are so many people as filled with rage as I am.

Why.. it warms the cockles of my black malevolant heart!

Oh and shut up Cannerus you big hippy!

mattyrm wrote:Oh and as a curious side note, If the father and you went and killed the man in question. Then pleaded guilty on the ground of temporary insanity or whatnot, do you think he would get a lesser sentance due to the circumstances?

Again, agreeing with Frazzled, I don't think I'd care what the outcome would be. There would just be a sort of "Death Wish" type of rage going on if someone did that to my child.


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mattyrm wrote:This thread is awesome, I am glad to know there are so many people as filled with rage as I am.

If you aren't enraged, you aren't paying attention.

I think our incompetent immigration service are partly to blame. He wasn't even supossed to be here when the event took place. More dawn raids please

Also does anyone want to punch the judges? Get off your fething pedestals you arrogant gakkers.

Brilliant!

Now, if the guy wasn't an asylum seeker what do you think the sentence should be?

There's that.

Perhaps, since he was convicted on various occasions of a number of criminal offences, it might have been more convenient for him to be taken from the gaol's door to the airport and shoved on a plane.

Mr. Burning wrote:Brilliant!

Now, if the guy wasn't an asylum seeker what do you think the sentence should be?

The exact same, this is not an attack on asylum seekers.

Kilkrazy wrote:There's that.

Perhaps, since he was convicted on various occasions of a number of criminal offences, it might have been more convenient for him to be taken from the gaol's door to the airport and shoved on a plane.

Prior convictions are only allowed to be used in certain circumstances (i think).

I think we need to remember that the law works for all of us.

Mr. Burning wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:There's that.

Perhaps, since he was convicted on various occasions of a number of criminal offences, it might have been more convenient for him to be taken from the gaol's door to the airport and shoved on a plane.

Prior convictions are only allowed to be used in certain circumstances (i think).

I think we need to remember that the law works for all of us.

I doubt you've been involved in the legal system to make such a statement.

Frazzled wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:There's that.

Perhaps, since he was convicted on various occasions of a number of criminal offences, it might have been more convenient for him to be taken from the gaol's door to the airport and shoved on a plane.

Prior convictions are only allowed to be used in certain circumstances (i think).

I think we need to remember that the law works for all of us.

I doubt you've been involved in the legal system to make such a statement.

My wife is.

And I have had the dubious delight of being on the receiving end of our justice and courts system.

I'm glad I live in England and not armchair lawyer land, not that I oppose any moves to get rid of blood sucking asylum seekers.

Yeah Sorry Mr B, but i would happily hang a white British bloke as well.

I am an equal opportunities hater.

Frazzled wrote:I wouldn't give a one way or the other at that point. My reason for existence would be over.

Considering how often you threaten to kill people over trivial nonsense it doesn't really see mas though your reason for existence is your daughter.