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Two Examples:

Swarmlord With Tyrant Guard: Swarmlord join Tyrant Guard, can an Ic now be attached because it is now a multi-model unit?

BA Techmarine with Serviors: Servitors are listed as wargear, but add models to the Techmarine unit. Does this now count as a multi-model unit?

(Personally i think the Swarmlord with Tyrand guard would allow an IC to join, im not so sure about the Techmarine)

Gibbsey wrote:Swarmlord With Tyrant Guard: Swarmlord join Tyrant Guard, can an Ic now be attached because it is now a multi-model unit?

There is nothing that would prevent an IC from joining the unit as per the normal rules, so yes.

BA Techmarine with Serviors: Servitors are listed as wargear, but add models to the Techmarine unit. Does this now count as a multi-model unit?

The unit has multiple models in it. The Servitors are not listed as Wargear... they are simply selected from the unit's Options. That doesn't make them count as not being models any more than it does for the extra 5 Marines in a Tactical squad.

You dont even need the Tyrant Guard - a Swarmlord / HT is, by definition, not ALWAYS a unit consisting of one model, even if no TG are on the table.

nosferatu1001 wrote:You dont even need the Tyrant Guard - a Swarmlord / HT is, by definition, not ALWAYS a unit consisting of one model, even if no TG are on the table.

so by that point Swarmlords and BA Techmarines can always be joined by an IC?

I wouldn't think so for the Swarmlord. He is, as per his unit entry, a unit that can only ever be one model. He's simply given permission to join another specific unit.

The Techmarine would be fine, though. The unit can consist of a Techmarine and a number of Servitors, so is not a unit that always consists on one model.

insaniak wrote:I wouldn't think so for the Swarmlord. He is, as per his unit entry, a unit that can only ever be one model. He's simply given permission to join another specific unit.

The Techmarine would be fine, though. The unit can consist of a Techmarine and a number of Servitors, so is not a unit that always consists on one model.

That makes sense, i was only wondering about the Techmarine because i wasnt sure the servitors counted as wargear

It doesn't matter if they count as Wargear (which they don't)... they're still models in the unit.

So here's a question.....can Mephiston (who is not an Independent Character) be joined by several Independent Character models (such as Sanguinary Priests and a Librarian) to form some ridiculously expensive Death Star unit? I don't see anything preventing it, even in the FAQ it just says he is a single model unit and he has no rule preventing an IC joining him such as we see with Lone Wolves and the like.

Aldarionn wrote:So here's a question.....can Mephiston (who is not an Independent Character) be joined by several Independent Character models (such as Sanguinary Priests and a Librarian) to form some ridiculously expensive Death Star unit? I don't see anything preventing it, even in the FAQ it just says he is a single model unit and he has no rule preventing an IC joining him such as we see with Lone Wolves and the like.

Paragraph one, sentence two, page 48 of the main rulebook says "No". Mephiston is a unit which always consists of a single model, so Independent Characters are prohibited from joining his unit, and he has no way of joining their unit.

solkan wrote:

Aldarionn wrote:So here's a question.....can Mephiston (who is not an Independent Character) be joined by several Independent Character models (such as Sanguinary Priests and a Librarian) to form some ridiculously expensive Death Star unit? I don't see anything preventing it, even in the FAQ it just says he is a single model unit and he has no rule preventing an IC joining him such as we see with Lone Wolves and the like.

Paragraph one, sentence two, page 48 of the main rulebook says "No". Mephiston is a unit which always consists of a single model, so Independent Characters are prohibited from joining his unit, and he has no way of joining their unit.

Also even if you take honor guard they dont join mephiston

Aldarionn wrote:So here's a question.....can Mephiston (who is not an Independent Character) be joined by several Independent Character models (such as Sanguinary Priests and a Librarian) to form some ridiculously expensive Death Star unit? I don't see anything preventing it, even in the FAQ it just says he is a single model unit and he has no rule preventing an IC joining him such as we see with Lone Wolves and the like.

He doesn't need a rule preventing it since the main rules already do so.........................

so i suppose the same is true with swarmlord/tyrant. considerimg he is always just a 1

The same is true of any model that has a unit composition of 1 model in their army list entry.

The unit of HT or the unit of Swarmlord is a unit that always consists of only 1 model.
Sometimes, that unit will join a different unit; but it always starts as a unit of 1.

yes hive tyrant and swarmlord cannot be joined, you can only get an ic in their unit if they join a tyrant guard. That way the IC joins the tyrant guard because tyrand guard is 1-3 models.

Techmarine is not always one model because it can add servitors to its unit

and the Techmarine has the IC rule.

it's the IC rule that lets single models join other models.

Grey Templar wrote:and the Techmarine has the IC rule.

it's the IC rule that lets single models join other models.

BA Techmarine does not have IC rule, but it can take servitors so it can be joined by an IC