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Would such an army be viable in competitive play.
I think about a core like this (at larger pt games, say 2000 pts):
10 or 20 Termies w/ cyclones,
10 Assault Termies w/ thh/ss,
1 or 2 Sanguinary Priests w/ terminator armor.

Well you're at 1640 w/the above stuff and a librarian HQ. So that plus 3x5 Assault Marines in Razors. The answer is maybe Try it out though I'd prefer some more long ranged support.

have that +SS TDA libby and a few flamer baals.

Why don't go then dark angels? Deathwing? As you can then take termies as troops...

But then you don't get the cool BA stuff like FnP bubbles and, more importantly, 3++ Storm Shields.

How not? 3++? They have TH/SS combo too which can be taken as troop?

FNP I agree

They have TH/SS combo too which can be taken as troop?

Not as troops in a BA army.

So just take a couple of cheap Tac Squads or even better, Scouts with Teleport Homers/Locator Beacons.

wuestenfux wrote:Would such an army be viable in competitive play.
I think about a core like this (at larger pt games, say 2000 pts):
10 or 20 Termies w/ cyclones,
10 Assault Termies w/ thh/ss,
1 or 2 Sanguinary Priests w/ terminator armor.

20 Terminators=800 points nakkie

I would not mix assault with tactical termies, go with 1 or the other.

With tactical termies you get the 4 heavy weapon choices, power fists have the same str as Thammers, and a 5+ invo isn't the end of the world. Follow that up with 3 squads of devs with 12 krak missiles, 3 priests, a barebones 100 point librarian or 2 for HQ, and some tac squads and you have a BA gunline that can still handle it'self in CC.

With assault termies I would mix them with assault squads and scout bikes in a DOA list. As long as the termies land first in each turn's wave a full scatter deep strike shouldn't be that dangerous. If the BA army goes first just start everything on the board and run towards the enemy in the shooting phase, while scout bikes launch a turn 1 assault.


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Chinchilla wrote:Why don't go then dark angels? Deathwing? As you can then take termies as troops...

3 things make them unpopular

4+ storm shields
Squad size must be 5
Loganwing also has termies as troops

All termis, negatory on being "good". One squad as a hammer? thats always good. 20 termis is a bit much... plus, without transports, things like plasma cannons and stuff eat through them. You can only make so many SS saves!

Zid wrote:All termis, negatory on being "good". One squad as a hammer? thats always good. 20 termis is a bit much... plus, without transports, things like plasma cannons and stuff eat through them. You can only make so many SS saves!

Like omg plasma is like so 2007, breaking news Tila Tequilla isn't really bi. Very few armies are geared these days to fight mass termies. Most armies lare loaded with melta, ac, krak, and S8 ap3 pie.

schadenfreude wrote:

Zid wrote:All termis, negatory on being "good". One squad as a hammer? thats always good. 20 termis is a bit much... plus, without transports, things like plasma cannons and stuff eat through them. You can only make so many SS saves!

Like omg plasma is like so 2007, breaking news Tila Tequilla isn't really bi. Very few armies are geared these days to fight mass termies. Most armies lare loaded with melta, ac, krak, and S8 ap3 pie.

Its funny that a simple bolter or even a las gun would be enough to kill termies. You dont really need ap 2 weaps.

Assault termies with no LR = Dead termies.

@ 2k points almost any competitive army can easily handle 20 terminators footsloggin or comin piecemeal.

I feel it would be a fun army, and might get some surprise wins. However overall it's no bueno

Guess how many bolter shots it takes to kill a termi w/FnP? Done guessing? 36

And yeah, people don't gear to kill 20 termies anymore. I actually prefer ranged ones personally in a list like this.

Hulksmash wrote:Guess how many bolter shots it takes to kill a termi w/FnP? Done guessing? 36

And yeah, people don't gear to kill 20 termies anymore. I actually prefer ranged ones personally in a list like this.

36 if probability falls into place. Less if you roll bad. Then again I can run away from footslogging termies all day. People dont gear to kill 20 termies, because they dont need to kill it.

.....sigh....

Not worth the discussion really.

Depends on the army.

With ig they will probably have vendettas, melta vets, hydras, and manticores. Tactical termies would wreck the vendettas with 8 krak missiles a turn, hydras would need to score 12 wounds to drop a single termie, manticores 6. If melta vets can shoot termies they are in assault range, and meltas have too low of a volume of fire to drop all the termies. Also note if the game is objective based the other siide can't run away forever or it will not take objectives.

And that's mech ig which is better suited to handle mass termies than mech ba or sw. Baal preds, lr redeemers, duel melta gun assault squads, and 15 krak missles/turn from long fangs don't perform well against termies.

The list works because it is unpopular so people are just not tooled to fight it.

22 Terminators and 2 LR's almost thru my SW's a loss for that exact reason. I just don't bring that much AP1-2 to the table. In fact I probably would have lost if my opponent was more aggressive or a better player. It's a workable concept and just plain nasty if used well and aggressively

Hulksmash wrote:22 Terminators and 2 LR's almost thru my SW's a loss for that exact reason. I just don't bring that much AP1-2 to the table. In fact I probably would have lost if my opponent was more aggressive or a better player. It's a workable concept and just plain nasty if used well and aggressively

The scariest Terminator army I could think of would actually be a Logan Wing. Logan, a Rune priest, 15 long fangs with ML, 25 Terminators with 5 Cyclone ML+20 combi melta/plasma+5 chainfist/20 PW=1945 points.

25 terminators, 20 combi weapons, and 25 krak missiles per turn would be a problem for most armies.

Funny, you might have just found my 1850 Adepticon Army since the above is actually 1845

Hulksmash wrote:Funny, you might have just found my 1850 Adepticon Army since the above is actually 1845

Actually a small and effective army, with Termies as scoring.
Recently, I battled such an army with my EC army (2 lash Princes, 6 Obliterators, 15 Termies, NMs)
and tabled the enemy even on a 4'x4' table.

go with:
10 PF/SB (2 squads)
10 TH/SS (2 squads)
2 sanguinary preists in TDA
TDA SS libby
scout squad w/teleport homer
scout squad w/teleport homer
2 flamer baal predators

shrike wrote:go with:
10 PF/SB (2 squads)
10 TH/SS (2 squads)
2 sanguinary preists in TDA
TDA SS libby
scout squad w/teleport homer
scout squad w/teleport homer
2 flamer baal predators

Troop units are an issue here as they should score if necessary. Assault Marines are too good to give up.

TDA sanguinary priests- FNP termies!!!
with TH/SS termies- ouch.
2+/3++ and 4+ ignore save.

shrike wrote:TDA sanguinary priests- FNP termies!!!
with TH/SS termies- ouch.
2+/3++ and 4+ ignore save.

It can hardly get better.

Hulksmash wrote:Funny, you might have just found my 1850 Adepticon Army since the above is actually 1845

And that list is the worst possible scenario to go up against with my DOA BA list. Between the massive amount of krak and power weapons it's bad news.


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wuestenfux wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Funny, you might have just found my 1850 Adepticon Army since the above is actually 1845

Actually a small and effective army, with Termies as scoring.
Recently, I battled such an army with my EC army (2 lash Princes, 6 Obliterators, 15 Termies, NMs)
and tabled the enemy even on a 4'x4' table.

The list absolutely needs a rune priest for psychic defense in case it runs up against a lash list. If that list got tabled by chaos it's largely the fault of the SW player. That list should also be able to drop the deamon princes rather quickly with 25 krak missiles a turn. 2/3 hit 5/6 wound 2/3 get past invo=20/54=37% of shots get past the invo=11 shots needed to drop a deamon prince. Focus fire on the lash princes 1st, then krak the NM. Wolf guard combi plas the termies and charge the oblits. As an experienced chaos player who knows the weaknesses of my own codex I'll be the first to say an equally skilled SW players should not lose to an EC list.

schadenfreude wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Funny, you might have just found my 1850 Adepticon Army since the above is actually 1845

And that list is the worst possible scenario to go up against with my DOA BA list. Between the massive amount of krak and power weapons it's bad news.


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wuestenfux wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Funny, you might have just found my 1850 Adepticon Army since the above is actually 1845

Actually a small and effective army, with Termies as scoring.
Recently, I battled such an army with my EC army (2 lash Princes, 6 Obliterators, 15 Termies, NMs)
and tabled the enemy even on a 4'x4' table.

The list absolutely needs a rune priest for psychic defense in case it runs up against a lash list. If that list got tabled by chaos it's largely the fault of the SW player. That list should also be able to drop the deamon princes rather quickly with 25 krak missiles a turn. 2/3 hit 5/6 wound 2/3 get past invo=20/54=37% of shots get past the invo=11 shots needed to drop a deamon prince. Focus fire on the lash princes 1st, then krak the NM. Wolf guard combi plas the termies and charge the oblits. As an experienced chaos player who knows the weaknesses of my own codex I'll be the first to say an equally skilled SW players should not lose to an EC list.

Schadenfreude, how does your DoA list look like? I'm interested here since I have a DoA army as well.
You're right about the SW player. He had just one LF unit which I ''lashed'' into the open in turn 1. Dead LFs.