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If an assassin is revealed on the start of turn 1, out of a unit that scouted, can he declare a charge?
This would be different than an assassin that deploys on his own via the scout rule.

Thoughts?

(This question applies to both Skaven Assassins and Dark Elf Assassins).

-Matt

The scout rules state that you cannot declare a charge on the first turn if you go first, otherwise go for it.

Beware looking for rule holes get's you kicked in the jewels, and out of the store.

Yeah... I wouldn't do this myself because of the potential for hard feelings. If I thought my opponent might be thinking of trying it, I'd talk about it before deployment. If they felt really strongly about it, I'd probably let them do it and deploy to protect against it. A single T3, W2 model worth that many points is really playing a dangerous game charging things on his own.

Especially considering he can't refuse challenges due to being alone.
It really makes loosing through combat res a distinct possibility.

Leith wrote:The scout rules state that you cannot declare a charge on the first turn if you go first, otherwise go for it.

And if the shades or gutterrunners did the scouting, not the assassin...

Anyhow, it isn't anything I'd do, it's just something that came up in a discussion of how models not on the table don't count for being in play.
It's not like you see many assassins these days.

-Matt

He is still in a unit that scouted.

why is this bad? If your playing a meeting engagment you can be in charge range on the first turn whether you scout, vanguard or set up normally. And like RZ said if an assassin charges anything other than a warmachine he's not likely to live.

So...hmm. The assassin could (and would have to) declare the charge by himself, thus leaving the scouting unit...but he nevertheless has the Scout rule himself...

If the rule says "Scouts cannot do this", then no. If it says "Units that are deployed with this rule cannot", then I'd say you could, since he was "deployed" by other means. But it probably says something else entirely.

And as for this sort of trick making you tfg, I would like to point out (though I agree with you all) that the old Dark Elf faq said that this was not only possible but suitably "sneaky" for a Dark Elf player...
...stupid faq.

The other problem is positioning. Before, you could deploy your Shades in any formation, then on the first turn displace one within charge range with the Assassin, and go for it; with 360-LOS this was easy. Now, having to deploy in a line and displace one model left or right dradtically reduces the chance of even being able to be within range.

Manfred von Drakken wrote:The other problem is positioning. Before, you could deploy your Shades in any formation, then on the first turn displace one within charge range with the Assassin, and go for it; with 360-LOS this was easy. Now, having to deploy in a line and displace one model left or right dradtically reduces the chance of even being able to be within range.

Before you had to be behind terrain and out of line of sight. Now you need to be 12" away. This seems a lot easier now than before.
The problem remains that a lone assassin is most likely going to die, if not on the charge, shortly after when the unit reforms to face him; which is why I would let my opponent do this.



-Matt