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Is Creed worth taking? I've been thinking about starting an IG blob army, and was thinking about using him. I've see that a lot of other people's list don't have him though, so my question is, is he totally useless, or does he have potential?

He has 4 orders to give and 24" order range, bring kell along to give orers on his leadership and it pretty much guaranteed to get orders.

He has some potential in making nasty units such as LR Demolishers and Banewolves appear in your opponent's lines when they least expect it, even more so with a mystic. Outflanking meltavets is nothing to sneeze at either. And even if you don't want to outflank, you can use a scout move to get up close and personal.

That said, he is a tad expensive, and if you want to outflank blobs you might as well take Al'Rahem, but Creed is the way to go if you want to get some scary stuff in your opponent's face without it getting shot.

I guess that was another question, is Kell worth bringing if I bring Creed. Is he worth the 85 points?

Tactical Genius

What? A Titan behind me? Preposteru.....CREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Creed is excellent in a blob army. His range and orders amount to being able to hit everything on the board with some awesome abilities.

Kell is a worthless sack of crap.

Not necessarily. Giving Ld 10 orders to your average Guardsman and HWT can be quite useful. There are other ways to do this of course. A vox net combined with Commissars in your blobs gets you pretty dang reliable orders, but that leaves the HWS and SWS, the units that benefit MOST from orders out in the rain. So, I'd say it depends on your list.

If you rely heavily on HWS or SWS for your firepower, then take Kell, as he is a decent way to get orders through without having to rely on the too fragile Lord Commissar. However, if you're firepower and threat is mainly in your blobs, then a vox net with commissars will be a cheaper way of getting a similar effect.

Don't forget kell gives ratlings ld 10 as well. Their leadership is pure garbage otherwise

Hmmm, twin linked ratlings against MC? That actually sounds pretty cool.

Yeah it does. Probably would run a squad of Ratlings to take care of those pesky DP's such.

Creed is nifty and all. Very fun to play. But I'd argue he's still a semi-competitive choice.

Scout/Outflanking is nifty and all... but with what?

Russes... why arent you starting them on the board early to make use of their firepower?

Vendettas... they outflank already.

Artillery? No...

Blobs? Al' Raheem is cheaper...

Melta-Vets and Chimera? Okay, sure, but it's only one team.

Ogryn or something? Heh, yeah, Ogryn.

Rough Riders? Sure, that's fun and fluffy... but hardly competitive playing.

Hellhounds and variants seem to be about the only thing worth giving scout, honestly.

My point is, I dont think the scout ability is really as good as people make out out to be.

4 orders is sorta the same way. Nifty and all... except the smaller units you would want to twin link (SWS, HWS) are still Ld7. Unless you pay even more points for Kell. At what point do you hit a plateau where you'd have been better off just buying more squads for more guns?

I guess my point is that yeah, he's fun. But he's not cheap. More guns ARE cheap. And if you want to add even more bells and whistles (astropath, Kell, etc)... why not just add more guns?

If you're wanting to run melee-capable blob squads... why not just run Strakken, who does it better?

Still, it's VERY fun outflanking rough riders. I highly recommend it. In casual games.

Creed is only 85 points, dont make it sound like he's that much.

And besides what exactly do you mean just add more guns? Like add another infantry squad? That's 50 points, plus some more points here and there to make them useful, it'll come out to about 85 points anyways. So you're talking about replacing him with a 10 man squad of either Guardsmen, or a more expensive squad of Vets.

Penguinmasterofdoom wrote:Creed is only 85 points, dont make it sound like he's that much.

And besides what exactly do you mean just add more guns? Like add another infantry squad? That's 50 points, plus some more points here and there to make them useful, it'll come out to about 85 points anyways. So you're talking about replacing him with a 10 man squad of either Guardsmen, or a more expensive squad of Vets.

He and his squad are 135 points with no upgrades. so, he's pricey alright. that's a Vendetta, or another melta Vet sqd w/ chimera.

Well, in 90% of cases, you were buying the CCS in the first place, so those 50 pts don't relly count.

Creed is alot of fun.

If you're not interested in winning every game, you can take some priests too, so that you get a psudo Ork melee guard army going on with Creed's furious charge order.

More seriously and Competitively,

Creed is great alone, outstanding with Kell. Once you add their costs together though, you're missing out on something else in the army. The point is, you have to have a real planned use for 4 really good orders, or else you should just skip on him.

Scout is an added bonus. Hellhounds are the best. Demolishers/punshers do great when you scout them into first turn range too. Outflanking can be rough in the right situation.

There used to be an ability where an officer moved a unit after deployment. Creed can do this kind of trick too for example, you can place a Manticore exposed, baiting the opponent into deploying some str 7 or 8 fire to shoot it. Then scout move some AV 14 to block the shot.

The big bad butt bum bitch is that Creed sits in a slot that is very, VERY useful to the guard army: The Hq slot.


4x plasma CCS is your one stop buy away a trygon unit. Straken can turn the humble power blob into a power house, and 4x melta CCS is nothing to sneeze at either.

If your playing 1500, creeds pointage is tolerable. And if shoved in a chimera, his infantry commanding abilities are quite neat. If you run an all infantry army, then thats the way to do it. He is wasted if its half mechanized/aircav/armour

Quite true. Creed shiines only with an infantry army, and in that case he and his 4 orders a turn mean that you'll be able to keep a respectable rate of fire and death out of any HWS or SWS you brought along.

However, in any other army build his points value make him not worth it.

Ivan wrote:Rough Riders? Sure, that's fun and fluffy... but hardly competitive playing.

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Still, it's VERY fun outflanking rough riders. I highly recommend it. In casual games.

Creed specifically outflanks infantry and vehicles. Rough Riders are neither of those, they are Cavalry. Sorry to rain on parades, I too thought about doing that for a little bit, then reality set in.

Holy crap ElCheezus is right.....Creed can outflank or scout move Imperator Titans, but can not make Rough Riders do the same......

How in Terra's Holy name does that make sense?!?

His tactical genius is limited to man and machine... Calvary and beast do not add to the alliteration, thus are left out...