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Ok I was just thinking who you think would win fluff wise and TT wise? For tabletop well have them both getting off there charge only close quarters battle. I would think Tycho fluff wise cause he is a badass, got blasted by a ork wiredboy and still was alive and kicking it, however TT Kharn just cause the ungodly amount of attacks at S6 and I6

Kharn handsdown Remember the DC Tycho is still DC, they aren't as controlled as they normally are (though what they lose in tactics they defiantly gain in strength!). Kharn is blessed by Khorne and is literally just the ultimate killer, he would smack down Tycho as soon as he saw him running towards him.

Most definately Kharn-He is an absolute monster and the chosen of Khorne.


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And in an actual battle, he is a brilliant character killer, whereas Tycho is not.

I can imagine barely anyone (and rightly so) rooting for Tycho in this.

Kharn has been around since the HH, survived near-death several times, is known as one of the deadliest Space Marines to have existed.
Kharn would rip off Tycho's arm and beat him to death with it.

Didn't Kharn get run over my a land raider once? 'cos i think that beats a little bit of psychic arse kicking

Kharn.

He's killed so many enemies that the kill counter he has in his helmet fills up his entire vision.

purplefood wrote:Didn't Kharn get run over my a land raider once? 'cos i think that beats a little bit of psychic arse kicking

It was actually impaled upon a Land Raider (Istvaan III) but yeah. And he was pretty much killed at the Siege of Terra.

He's just lucky he's not met a wierdboy yet. (Two reasons for irony there)

Lord Chiasson wrote:Ok I was just thinking who you think would win fluff wise and TT wise? For tabletop well have them both getting off there charge only close quarters battle. I would think Tycho fluff wise cause he is a badass, got blasted by a ork wiredboy and still was alive and kicking it, however TT Kharn just cause the ungodly amount of attacks at S6 and I6

Er.... FLUFFWISE? S6 I6 is not...
... Tycho is dead.. killed by Orks....
..Kharn has been and is still killing Friend and Foe alike for over a hundred centuries..

kharn.
mephiston vs kharn- who would win?

Kharn wins hands (and skulls) down versus Tycho.

Versus Mephiston? Now that is more like a contest!

Thing is, Mephiston wouldn't be able to use any Psychic powers against him (unless I'm getting mixed up between different Chaos codecies) which would seriously even the odds, in which case Mephiston would probably still win because he has higher Initiative and enough attacks to whoop Kharn's 3 wounds away in a heartbeat.

But should Kharn survive.. Most of his attacks would hit and any that wounded would insta-wound Mephiston who quite sadly, lacks an invulnerable save.

shrike wrote:kharn.
mephiston vs kharn- who would win?

+1 for Kharn.And i will have to give that next one some thought.

I dont think Kharn can acctully die. Kharn would tear Tychos head off with his bear hands. I think the fight would be like this....




Tychos the Black Knight

blood reaper wrote:I dont think Kharn can acctully die. Kharn would tear Tychos head off with his bear hands. I think the fight would be like this....




Tychos the Black Knight

that black knight reminds me of my ork army-
I kill your ghazghkull and nobs!
So?
So?! I just murdered your best unit!
I still have my ork mob!
I kill your ork mob!
Meh.
It was your last scoring unit!
I still have my grots!
I kill your grots!
and?
You have no units left!
I still have my trukk!
I immobilise and weapon destroy your trukk!
I can still fight! Oh, go and run off to the objective! Coward!

kharn, fluff wise. if khorne didnt let him die before he wouldnt let him die against such a pathetic opponent

Kharn would probably do something horrendously violent to Tycho, before strolling off to beat up some T'au for pocket money.

against mephiston?

blood reaper wrote:I dont think Kharn can acctully die. Kharn would tear Tychos head off with his bear hands. I think the fight would be like this....




Tychos the Black Knight

Agreed! even if Tycho "nomattertheversion" is a pansy, sure he has the same fighting spirit of this black knight

Of course Kharn is WIN

Absolutely Kharn, hands down the deadliest close combat marine in the galaxy, and the blessed champion of khorne on top of that! Vs mephiston too, he'd cut that daemonic-infested punk in half then go off looking for a real fight.

Fluffwise I think Kharne should be able to roll pretty everyone except for maybe Abaddon and a couple of the Champions of Khorne.

Oddly enough, the one thing Kharn can't defeat is an Imperial Guard regiment.

Seriously, even flashlights take their toll when you've got that many.. hell, you'll probably actually hit him a few times..

But if we go back to playing fourth edition rules, deploy Kharn within 1" of the IG.. hehehe, sweeping advances become fun again!

Khârn (that's the way his name is spelt BTW, he dislikes people who spells it "Kharn" or "Kharne" would win against Mephiston if it was a fluff-fight. One has to remember that, while Mephiston on table-top can get S10 attacks, rerolls and shenanigans like that, in fluff Khârn would be immune to these, as they're psychic powers, and in the fluff Khorne protects Khârn from ANY psychic power, not just those that affect him directly. See it as Meph wielding a psychic baseball bat. In a table-top fight, the psychic bat isn't directly affecting Khârn, thus letting Meph get his S bonus and rerolls. Fluff-wise, Meph tries to bash Khârns head in with his bat only to find that the bat shatters as he hits Khârn's head.


Blood for the Blood God!


EDIT: Misspelt "spelt" >.<

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Khârn (that's the way his name is spelt BTW, he dislikes people who spells it "Kharn" or "Kharne" would win against Mephiston if it was a fluff-fight. One has to remember that, while Mephiston on table-top can get S10 attacks, rerolls and shenanigans like that, in fluff Khârn would be immune to these, as they're psychic powers, and in the fluff Khorne protects Khârn from ANY psychic power, not just those that affect him directly. See it as Meph wielding a psychic baseball bat. In a table-top fight, the psychic bat isn't directly affecting Khârn, thus letting Meph get his S bonus and rerolls. Fluff-wise, Meph tries to bash Khârns head in with his bat only to find that the bat shatters as he hits Khârn's head.


Blood for the Blood God!


EDIT: Misspelt "spelt" >.<

We Know how it's spelled but it's way too much hassle to put a teeny tiny arrow on top of the a.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Khârn (that's the way his name is spelt BTW, he dislikes people who spells it "Kharn" or "Kharne" would win against Mephiston if it was a fluff-fight. One has to remember that, while Mephiston on table-top can get S10 attacks, rerolls and shenanigans like that, in fluff Khârn would be immune to these, as they're psychic powers, and in the fluff Khorne protects Khârn from ANY psychic power, not just those that affect him directly. See it as Meph wielding a psychic baseball bat. In a table-top fight, the psychic bat isn't directly affecting Khârn, thus letting Meph get his S bonus and rerolls. Fluff-wise, Meph tries to bash Khârns head in with his bat only to find that the bat shatters as he hits Khârn's head.


Blood for the Blood God!


EDIT: Misspelt "spelt" >.<

Protection from Psychic powers doesn't stop Mephiston making himself stronger.. plus that Transfixing Gaze trick can still affect Kharn.

Regardless, Mephiston would pretty much guarentied win every time against Kharn..

..unless he brought enough World Eaters Berzerkers with him to make up the points..

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Khârn (that's the way his name is spelt BTW, he dislikes people who spells it "Kharn" or "Kharne" would win against Mephiston if it was a fluff-fight. One has to remember that, while Mephiston on table -top can get S10 attacks, rerolls and shenanigans like that, in fluff Khârn would be immune to these, as they're psychic powers, and in the fluff Khorne protects Khârn from ANY psychic power, not just those that affect him directly. See it as Meph wielding a psychic baseball bat. In a table-top fight, the psychic bat isn't directly affecting Khârn, thus letting Meph get his S bonus and rerolls. Fluff-wise, Meph tries to bash Khârns head in with his bat only to find that the bat shatters as he hits Khârn's head.


Blood for the Blood God!


EDIT: Misspelt "spelt" >.<

Protection from Psychic powers doesn't stop Mephiston making himself stronger.. plus that Transfixing Gaze trick can still affect Kharn.

Regardless, Mephiston would pretty much guarentied win every time against Kharn..

..unless he brought enough World Eaters Berzerkers with him to make up the points..

You might want to read the bolded parts and try again.

Khârn doesn't have an ungodly number of attacks, he has A5+1, A5+2 on the charge. Gorechild merely allows him +1D6 penetration on vehicles, not attacks. The Power Weapon effect and the 2+ to hit makes them effective though.

However, if Tycho is smart he can pop Khârn with the Bloodsong's Melta component. He's Relentless with access to Special Issue Ammunition, so with the initiative he can bleed Khârn before contact using Hellfire rounds.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Khârn (that's the way his name is spelt BTW, he dislikes people who spells it "Kharn" or "Kharne" would win against Mephiston if it was a fluff-fight. One has to remember that, while Mephiston on table -top can get S10 attacks, rerolls and shenanigans like that, in fluff Khârn would be immune to these, as they're psychic powers, and in the fluff Khorne protects Khârn from ANY psychic power, not just those that affect him directly. See it as Meph wielding a psychic baseball bat. In a table-top fight, the psychic bat isn't directly affecting Khârn, thus letting Meph get his S bonus and rerolls. Fluff-wise, Meph tries to bash Khârns head in with his bat only to find that the bat shatters as he hits Khârn's head.


Blood for the Blood God!


EDIT: Misspelt "spelt" >.<

Protection from Psychic powers doesn't stop Mephiston making himself stronger.. plus that Transfixing Gaze trick can still affect Kharn.

Regardless, Mephiston would pretty much guarentied win every time against Kharn..

..unless he brought enough World Eaters Berzerkers with him to make up the points..

You might want to read the bolded parts and try again.

No, I don't think so, seeing as how the writing you've highlighted in bold is basically agreeing with exactly what I've said.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Khârn (that's the way his name is spelt BTW, he dislikes people who spells it "Kharn" or "Kharne" would win against Mephiston if it was a fluff-fight. One has to remember that, while Mephiston on table -top can get S10 attacks, rerolls and shenanigans like that, in fluff Khârn would be immune to these, as they're psychic powers, and in the fluff Khorne protects Khârn from ANY psychic power, not just those that affect him directly. See it as Meph wielding a psychic baseball bat. In a table-top fight, the psychic bat isn't directly affecting Khârn, thus letting Meph get his S bonus and rerolls. Fluff-wise, Meph tries to bash Khârns head in with his bat only to find that the bat shatters as he hits Khârn's head.


Blood for the Blood God!


EDIT: Misspelt "spelt" >.<

Protection from Psychic powers doesn't stop Mephiston making himself stronger.. plus that Transfixing Gaze trick can still affect Kharn.

Regardless, Mephiston would pretty much guarentied win every time against Kharn..

..unless he brought enough World Eaters Berzerkers with him to make up the points..

You might want to read the bolded parts and try again.

No, I don't think so, seeing as how the writing you've highlighted in bold is basically agreeing with exactly what I've said.

That was the point, we're in agreement and yet you seem to be "correcting" me. If that was not the case then I apologize.

Yes, it was strictly necessary to quote all of that.

Nurglitch wrote:Yes, it was strictly necessary to quote all of that.

I've seen bigger..


@AlmightyWalrus - admittedly, the first time I read that post I did so in a hurry, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Viper217 wrote:Absolutely Kharn, hands down the deadliest close combat marine in the galaxy, and the blessed champion of khorne on top of that! Vs mephiston too, he'd cut that daemonic-infested punk in half then go off looking for a real fight.

Shenanigans - Mephiston, swinging before Kharn at S10, and possibly re-rolling hits and wounds... It's no contest. 9 out of ten times, Mephiston will work every time.