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So who do you think would be the stronger of the two assuming both where in there prime, Throw away your human bias for a moment . Also consider that the emperor came about after countless psyker shaman realised there souls were being consumed in the wrap upon death by the growing chaos gods and unable to be reborn all simultaneously committed suicide to be reborn into a single almighty entity. Where as Ynnead will supposedly come about "when the Infinity Circuits hold all the spirits of their race, all of the Craftworlds will unite into one Infinity Circuit, and the collective spirits of the Eldar will join to form a new Power in the Warp". Look at the size and scale differences here the emperor was formed of all the psychic entities of one race from one planet where as Ynnead will come from the souls of every eldar from every craftworldm with each craftworld being comparable to a planet in terms of population, even with there dwindling population they'd still have greater numbers then earth "eight thousand years before the first millennia" when the emperor was born / the shamans died and were reborn. Not to mention that the average eldar is much more psychically proficient then the average human lemme give a short quote from lexicanum "As a race they have a high level of psychic ability, Eldar are mentally far superior to humans, and feel all emotions much more strongly, requiring the Eldar to exercise constant restraint to avoid mental break down". So not only will Ynnead be formed from a larger amount of souls then the emperor but also of souls that on average pack a lot more psychic punch, so does this effectively mean that Ynnead could rip the emperor in half if he so felt inclined ? more so if he's still stuck on the golden throne ?.

For the sake of the conversation lets assume that Ynnead being born is a certainty and not just a prophecy and no star child esq ideas of the emperor being reborn through the warp and maybe actually becoming Ynnead or a similar being if that makes sense.

Theres been a little confusion about the state of both combatants so to clarify its a reborn emperor juiced up with 10000 years of sacrifices and worship + the power of whatever brings him back vs a full power Ynnead who feeds of death and rebirth just as for example khorne feeds of violence

Given your guidelines of ruling out the star child scenario it's obviously stacked in Ynnead's favour. I don't see how this is a fair comparison.

Mukkin'About wrote:Given your guidelines of ruling out the star child scenario it's obviously stacked in Ynnead's favour. I don't see how this is a fair comparison.

That came across wrong, I meant a reborn emperor at full power versus a up and running Ynnead. I was ruling out the star child scenario of them both being in effect the same deity not saying that for the sake of this fight the emperor would still be stuck in the golden throne that'd be a little unfair. Also while this might not really be all that much help against a sentient god but the emperor can call upon near infinite reinforcements, whereas Ynnead is pretty much on his own as all Eldar are now more or less dead for him to be alive.

So lets say that the emperor was preheresy strength and alive... and ynnead was post-eldar full power. Given that Ynnead is a warp god.. It's almost impossible for him to be killed by a mortal. Even if the emperor was the next warp entity, the fight against ynnead would probably still come out in ynnead's favour since it's said that the point of his creation was to destroy slaanesh. Given power of that magnitude in a warp entity, it's incredibly unlikely a mortal emperor would win.

Mukkin'About wrote:So lets say that the emperor was preheresy strength and alive... and ynnead was post-eldar full power. Given that Ynnead is a warp god.. It's almost impossible for him to be killed by a mortal. Even if the emperor was the next warp entity, the fight against ynnead would probably still come out in ynnead's favour since it's said that the point of his creation was to destroy slaanesh. Given power of that magnitude in a warp entity, it's incredibly unlikely a mortal emperor would win.

Im assuming that when / if they Emperor is reborn he'd be stronger then his pre heresy days, Im not sure of the exact number but aren't thousands of psykers sacrificed to him on a daily basis to keep him going in the warp, so for the last 10000 years he's essentially been a warp entity thats receiving daily sacrifices and constant worship and adoration by the imperial masses not to mention whatever does bring him back will give him a large power boost. For all intensive purposes the emperor is basically a warp god now, as for warp beings being killed by mortals its always a little hazy warp gods are essentially just warp beasts but the strongest of there kind, and any warp being that corporates in the materium can be "slain" they just dont die they just get banished back to the warp where after long enough the reform with the help of there patron, although daemons cans also be bound to weapons and the like and have there essence absorbed by other psychic entities right ?. Although warp gods really don't need to materialize because for the moment at least there isnt really anything strong enough to require there personal intervention. It really could swing either way imho, Im of the opinion that a reborn Emperor could actually take on the 4 chaos gods destroy them and potentially absorb there warp essence, this wouldn't necessarily be an end to chaos itself as so long as those carnal emotions exist new gods would form but that would take millennia upon millennia but for the time being at least the four chaos "gods" would be gone meaning that there wouldn't be anything readily corrupting mortals and eating there souls, but thats another topic for another thread just my 2 cents .

Actually, Ynnead is not even an existent being at the moment. Eldrad is the only farseer to have even suggested his existence, and even then that is only when every Craftworld Eldar dies (I think he initially forms in the infinity circuit, so if any disaster befalls it and the souls of the Eldar then he ascendance could be prevented) . Seeing as the (mortal) Emperor exists and Ynnead does not, Emperor wins.

Now, if we were to assume that Ynnead does exist, and is as every bit as powerful as suggested then it's only fair to assume that the theory of the Star Child is also true. Now, as Mukkin'About has pointed out, Ynnead's first goal is to eliminate Slaanesh. As powerful as he is, after that match up he's likely to have exhuasted his formidable powers. In that weakened state a victory for the Star Child is quite likely, and I don't know if Ynnead can recover from the fight against Slaanesh.

If you could, I'd like to see any other sources other than the Eldar Codex that speaks of Ynnead, if there is more info on him we can gauge his power more accurately.

Please note, from the name, that this is a biased and entirely reliable opinion.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, Ynnead is not even an existent being at the moment. Eldrad is the only farseer to have even suggested his existence, and even then that is only when every Craftworld Eldar dies (I think he initially forms in the infinity circuit, so if any disaster befalls it and the souls of the Eldar then he ascendance could be prevented) . Seeing as the (mortal) Emperor exists and Ynnead does not, Emperor wins.

Now, if we were to assume that Ynnead does exist, and is as every bit as powerful as suggested then it's only fair to assume that the theory of the Star Child is also true. Now, as Mukkin'About has pointed out, Ynnead's first goal is to eliminate Slaanesh. As powerful as he is, after that match up he's likely to have exhuasted his formidable powers. In that weakened state a victory for the Star Child is quite likely, and I don't know if Ynnead can recover from the fight against Slaanesh.

If you could, I'd like to see any other sources other than the Eldar Codex that speaks of Ynnead, if there is more info on him we can gauge his power more accurately.

Please note, from the name, that this is a biased and entirely reliable opinion.

Hehehe my only intention was to inspire some insightful debate so any opinions are ofc welcome , this entire fight is a hypothetical one the conditions of which have slightly altered in the run up till now due mainly to bad communication on my part . So far its a reborn emperor juiced up with 10000 years of sacrifices and worship + the power of whatever brings him back vs a full power Ynnead. I mean technically if Ynnead was born and the emperor was reborn near enough to each other I can imagine the two teaming up as chaos is there mutual enemy of sorts, I mean why stop at Slaanesh the rest are just as bad right ?. I dont really understand how Ynnead could "exhaust" his powers I mean surely he'd be tired but he could rest couldnt he and its not like this hypothetical battle would take place immediately after hes done pounding Slaanesh into the dirt, and the screen just flashes " A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVED" and the emperor just appears looking really pissed off. Also Ynnead and Slaanesh being both warp entities if Ynnead did win he could easily absorb Slaanesh into himself which would give him a giant power boost not only from Slaanesh itself but of the countless Edar souls its eaten since the whole fall of the eldar thing.

Old Decrepit Golden Throne Emprah = Deamons and such Very much in check, a fully going Emperor probably is gonna kick some warp entity's ass

Eldar god of the dead + Emperor of mankind = serious whooping of the asses of the 4 ruinous powers

Ynnead Vs. Emperor as a warp on warp entity clash? Just as much potential to be a big ol stalemate like the current balance between the 4 ruinous powers. As powerful as the chaos gods are, they don't seem to be able to destroy eachother. it stands to reason that a fight between the emperor and ynnead in that respect could be equally stalemated

Yea Mukkin' About got it I think. Unless the Emporer went "Star child" and assuming Worship=warp powerness, If that happened then he'd kick some ass

So assuming that that's the way the Rhana dandra played out with chaos being destroyed and The Emperor / Ynnead being locked in an eternal stalemate could this mean peace between Humans and Eldar ?. What is this heresy ... !?!?! Peace in 40k !!!

Interesting thought, Would the Big E's/Star Child's rage at being worshiped cause him to just destroy the Human race? He didn't enjoy it when Logar kept doing it.


(It was Logar right? Man my memories gone tonight.)

If Ynnead does exist it's a critical part of his being to hunt down and confront Slaanesh. From what it sounds like a newborn Ynnead would be drunk on the combined might of the Eldar spirits as Slaanesh once was and would likely destroy him/her/it as Slaanesh did to the Old Eldar Gods (and even then only had the strength to tear Khaine asunder rather than annhilation). However, Slaanesh was later sustained on the raw emotions and lust of the galaxy, Ynnead has no such resource to call upon.

The Star Child on the other hand has the entirety of the Imperium worshiping him (though I have no idea if that works in the same sense as violence fuels Khorne).

Exactly, I dont know if: Worship=/= power.

Yeah it was Logar, I doubt he'd flip out and terminate the human race as he is sort of there leader if not god. Although I think if E doesn't already sort of believe himself to be a god he might just play along so that mankind keep there peace, I mean the guy stopped the biggest chaos incursion since forever died in the process, is reborn and still isn't a god ?. You might want to check the quotes section on this page http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor there all from the jac draco books so contain spoilers but judging from that he's pretty much sounds like hes convinced hes a god, although im confused why he keeps referring to himself in the third person.

He uses third person because he's the Emperor, he can do what he wants

Emperors Faithful wrote:If Ynnead does exist it's a critical part of his being to hunt down and confront Slaanesh. From what it sounds like a newborn Ynnead would be drunk on the combined might of the Eldar spirits as Slaanesh once was and would likely destroy him/her/it as Slaanesh did to the Old Eldar Gods (and even then only had the strength to tear Khaine asunder rather than annhilation). However, Slaanesh was later sustained on the raw emotions and lust of the galaxy, Ynnead has no such resource to call upon.

The Star Child on the other hand has the entirety of the Imperium worshiping him (though I have no idea if that works in the same sense as violence fuels Khorne).

Interesting theory perhaps Ynnead becomes some sort of universal god of the dead and the constant cycle of death and rebirth (not just of the eldar but of everything) sustains him ?, and as far as im aware worship does make warp entities stronger cause the worship'er is devoting him / herself to the warp entity so there all of there psychic emissions are all being sent to that entity, Its why the chaos gods actually have temples and altars or worship I mean otherwise why would they bother ?

I suppose worship would have an Emotional side the Emperor could feed off of, is a sense of faith considered an emotion of a sort?

DA's Forever wrote:He uses third person because he's the Emperor, he can do what he wants

Omg +1 hahahah I so want that as my sig if only I could figure out how to do that hahah

ChronoCupcake wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:He uses third person because he's the Emperor, he can do what he wants

Omg +1 hahahah I so want that as my sig if only I could figure out how to do that hahah

The one time I almost get sig'd and it cant happen. my life

DA's Forever wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:He uses third person because he's the Emperor, he can do what he wants

Omg +1 hahahah I so want that as my sig if only I could figure out how to do that hahah

The one time I almost get sig'd and it cant happen. my life

Well you have a sig so Id assume you know how to do it ?, you could just tell me and get sigged in the process right ?

Excellent your right. So hit Quote on the post you want, Copy everything in the text box, go to edit your profile, there will be a box for signatures paste that in, scroll to the bottom and hit update

DA's Forever wrote:Excellent your right. So hit Quote on the post you want, Copy everything in the text box, go to edit your profile, there will be a box for signatures paste that in, scroll to the bottom and hit update

Done and done


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DA's Forever wrote:Excellent your right. So hit Quote on the post you want, Copy everything in the text box, go to edit your profile, there will be a box for signatures paste that in, scroll to the bottom and hit update

Curses it didnt work ! hopefully it should be fixed now though

There it is! Yes! ... errrmm i mean... How about that Emperor huh?

*hides from mods*

I think we should get back on topic

Emperors Faithful wrote:If Ynnead does exist it's a critical part of his being to hunt down and confront Slaanesh. From what it sounds like a newborn Ynnead would be drunk on the combined might of the Eldar spirits as Slaanesh once was and would likely destroy him/her/it as Slaanesh did to the Old Eldar Gods (and even then only had the strength to tear Khaine asunder rather than annhilation). However, Slaanesh was later sustained on the raw emotions and lust of the galaxy, Ynnead has no such resource to call upon.

The Star Child on the other hand has the entirety of the Imperium worshiping him (though I have no idea if that works in the same sense as violence fuels Khorne).

I think it'd go a little like this after Ynnead wakes up

Step 1 - kill / absorb Slaanesh
Step 2 - Realise the only other female Eldar deity left is Isha the goddess of healing who's held captive by Nurgle
Step 3 - kill / absorb Nurgle
Step 4 - Free isha and get his groove on

This is assuming the laughing god isn't a hermaphrodite / appears in female form / Ynnead has a thing for trannies, Im just trying to imagine what the child of a god of death / rebirth and a goddess of healing / fertility would be, and to a lesser extent the cheesy chat up lines Ynnead might use about him being the god of rebirth and her being the goddess of rebirth "que cheesy porno music*.

ChronoCupcake wrote:[Step 1 - kill / absorb Slaanesh
Step 2 - Realise the only other female Eldar deity left is Isha the goddess of healing who's held captive by Nurgle
Step 3 - kill / absorb Nurgle
Step 4 - Free isha and get his groove on

As much as I look forward to the creation of a divine prono, it doesn't work that way.
After defeating Slaanesh, which will be a close run thing, there little chance Ynnead will have the strength to tackle another Warp God.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:[Step 1 - kill / absorb Slaanesh
Step 2 - Realise the only other female Eldar deity left is Isha the goddess of healing who's held captive by Nurgle
Step 3 - kill / absorb Nurgle
Step 4 - Free isha and get his groove on

As much as I look forward to the creation of a divine prono, it doesn't work that way.
After defeating Slaanesh, which will be a close run thing, there little chance Ynnead will have the strength to tackle another Warp God.

I just dont see it that way I mean look at humans how long do we have to rest after a fight before were ready to fight again ?, and thats without considering that fact that since there both warp entities Ynnead could essentially absorb / eat up Slaanesh's warp essence along with all the countless eldar souls in it that Slaanesh has consumed since the warp, this would not only replenish Ynneads power but also bolster it even further making him more then strong enough to take on the other chaos gods. Think of it like how a man would kill an animal and eat it in the process hed strain his muscle but the protein gained from eating it would make him all the more stronger but to a far larger extent . He'd also go about restoring Khaine at some point too Id imagine, but in between happily repopulating and watching over death and rebirth thatd leave Khaine and the laughing god to couple up which would be wierd to say the least hahaha.

[insert Dragonball Z reference here]

OMG!! Emprah ges supersayinx9000000!!!111!!

[/insert Dragonball Z reference here]

I don't see how Ynnead would go about 'absorbing' Slaanesh. Slaanesh is a warp god. He devoured the lesser Eldar Gods, but couldn't catch the Laughing God and was too weakened by Khaine to destroy him entirely either. If an entity like Khaine is incapable of being devoured by a Slaanesh that was bloated on the souls of the Eldar Empire then what makes you think that Ynnead can do it to a far more powerful creature?

If this 'absorb gods' thing was true, Slaanesh would have been able to defeat Nurgle in their confrontation, which occured immediately after the defeat of Khaine and was over Isha (according to legend).

In short I think you are seriously overestimating the power of Ynnead. Eldrad's prophecy says that he will defeat Slaanesh, not every bloody Warp God/Star Child/C'tan in existence.

Nurglitch wrote:[insert Dragonball Z reference here]

OMG!! Emprah ges supersayinx9000000!!!111!!

[/insert Dragonball Z reference here]

This is what came into my mind from 0.30 onwards http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqT2QbdheiQ&feature=related , Its the emperor whilst uniting earth prior to the great crusade I know it !