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Despite being 25 points, I like them. A carnifex is Initiative one anyway, and those extra attacks seem worth it to me. So what does dakka think about them? Also, are toxin sacs worth anything on carnifexes? They seem pretty pointless, since you wound everything on like a 2+ anyway :3

(new to tyranids, excuse me)

I dislike Claws. For the cost, you can almost grab 2 Devourers with Brainleech Worms instead, which provide more benefit in the long-term. And yes, the Sacs are pointless on the Carnifex.

Extra attacks are great. Dropping one of the few models with frag grenades (at I4 even) to perma I1 while losing most of you re-rolls and becoming more expensive...not so great.

Really, Claws only go on a Tervigon (an addition instead of a replacement, and it's I1 anyway...) and even that's a stretch.

I'd never use claws on any of my Nids, they just cost to much, i much prefer the Devourers with leech worms or just the good old scything talons... toxin sacs on a fex=waste of points, use the points on adrenal glands, giving the fex str10 and initiative 4 on the charge

Samus_aran115 wrote:Despite being 25 points, I like them. A carnifex is Initiative one anyway, and those extra attacks seem worth it to me. So what does dakka think about them? Also, are toxin sacs worth anything on carnifexes? They seem pretty pointless, since you wound everything on like a 2+ anyway :3

(new to tyranids, excuse me)

Crushing Claws are simply not worth the points on a 'fex. Here's your mathhammer(assumming 4+ To Hit)...

2xScything Talons=3 hits(2 hits on 4 attacks on initial roll,1 additional hit on the reroll)

1xScything Talons+Crushing Claws=3.5 hits(average Claw bonus of 2 attacks,3 hits on 6 attacks on Initial roll,1 50/50 reroll,hence the .5)

25 points simpy isn't worth an extra .5 hit per close combat,especially when you're losing I3 on the charge due to Living Battering Ram.

Toxin Sacs actually aren't an upgrade at all,per the mathhammer,in most all circumstances(assuming 2+ to Wound)

Strength 9=83.3% chance to wound,pops T4 or less

Toxin Sacs(4+)=75% chance to wound

Adrenal Glands are way better than Toxin Sacs for a 'fex. Combining Furious Charge and Living Battering Ram,you can get I4 on a charge,which will get you to simu-strike against most creatures. S10 on a charge is also helpful for vehicle penetration and popping T5.

Okay, thanks guys. I don't think I'll use them then. I'll save them for a dreadnought conversion of something instead

So for my carnifex, I'm thinking:
Stranglethorn Cannon
Scything Talons
Adrenal Glands

I'd go for double scything talons, but I don't own two sets =/ I know shooting isn't a carnifex's main job, but my army is rather Assaulty, and some shooty would be nice. Plus, stranglethorn cannons are cool.

I'd go with the Heavy venom cannon, since everything's in transports nowadays, it probably wont destroy tanks, but hurt them, str9 is better than str6 against mech. But, thats just me.

Yeah, that makes sense. I'll just magnetize it, the more I think about it. Large blasts are cool But so are HVCs.

The carnifex kit is great, IMO. It comes with literally every option in the book, unlike basically everything else in the codex.

Make sure you use frag spines. Five-point grenades? Need.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Yeah, that makes sense. I'll just magnetize it, the more I think about it. Large blasts are cool But so are HVCs.

The carnifex kit is great, IMO. It comes with literally every option in the book, unlike basically everything else in the codex.

Yeah,if you can magnetize it,then you can play around with different options and figure out what works best in your play environment and with your list. Stranglethorn Cannon is great against horde armies,like Orcs. Heavy Venom Cannon is better if you play against a lot of mechanized armies,but you may not neccessarily need it if your army has plenty of other transport busting units,like Hive Guard and Zoeys. If you have good anti-tank already,you may want to use the Stranglethorn Cannon instead,and use those units to bust transports and then use the 'fex to drop a pie plate on them.

A pair of Carnifexes (Carnifi?!) with Devourers can also provide a copius amount of firepower.
IMHO, a Brood of 2 Carnifexes works well with a pair of Trygons, who will move faster and provide the immediate threat whilst the Carnifexes remain relatively unharmed...

I like the claws because they are sick looking, and fun.

Rule No.1 of 40k is have fun, so I say go with the claws.

On a carnifex? Pretty worthless and actively gimping the one major advantage a Carnifex has over the huge majority of the rest of the codex, frag spines.

Now a Tervigon with crushing claws on the other hand is altogether different. You can't lose initiative with him anyway. Take him as a Troops choice, use the Hive Tyrant to outflank him and when he comes on against static vehicle gun-line type armies (looking at you IG) he's doing monstrous creature rear armor penetration with extra attacks, squatting on an objectives they place on their side of the board and polluting the deployment zone with spawned gaunts.

Fun stuff when used in the right lists.

Maneuvers like that would have me break out my Ipod+radio add on and subject my opponent to loud rap music as I slice and diced his forces.

I did the Mathhammer on Claws vs Talons. If you take claws you may as well find the other 15 points for a Trygon.

Screamer-Killer is getting 4+ hits 63.28% of the time.
Claw-fex . . . . is getting 4+ hits 50.00% of the time, 6+ hits 06.25% of the time.
Trygon . . . . . is getting 4+ hits 99.60% of the time, 6+ hits 82.21% of the time.

See all the numbers here.
http://lyracian.blogspot.com/2010/09/mathhammer-for-hive-mind.html

I will one day put Crushing Claws on a Carnifex model, but only because that model will be Old One Eye. In the mean time I've found four uses for the Crushing Claw bitz other than being used as Crushing Claws, and the only thing I've pointed to have them are my Tervigons, who are modeled more as Crushing Jaws. It is amusing when people charge the Tervigon and then go wait, it has How many attacks?

I also tend to add adrenals to my C. Fex--when he charges, he hits on equal I with marines (in case I need to ram some berzerkers) and gets that delicious S10 for tank-popping.

Trygons are hilarious against all manner of infantry, especially when they regenerate, but C. Fexes are mostly tank hunters.

Not sure about C. Claws in regular games, but if you take a Carni Crusher Brood in Apocalypse games, you have to give your Carni's 2 pairs of C. Claws, but you get an extra 2D6 attacks, even though the C. Claw rules have changed for 5th Edition.

Actually, Trygons do better against most vehicles if only because they can Fleet. The Carnifex is there as an expensive generalist, to stunlock vehicles, snipe at Specials/sergeants, countercharge superunits (screen against the big Battlewagon Nob unit of doom with a skirmish line of Termagants) or finish off vehicles.

Theoreticaly the only reason to go with crushing claws on a carnifex is when taking the heavy weapon shooty options (HVC and stranglethorn). Otherwise there's really no point to adding them, because you aren't gaining much for the points, ontop of losing I3/4 on the charge which something figured into a carnifexes cost as well.

Now, whether that 210 multipuprose carnifex is worth the cost is another matter. I would say no personally but I am not a fan of HVCs or stranglethorns to begin with.

Agree with winterman

My wife put them on hers because it looks cool. She actually uses them as crushing claws every now and then. I let her use them as other Cc weapons if she wants as long as she tells me what they are. Sometimes Ive seen the extra attacks actually be worth it, but yea, it seems to me that 25pts for those is a bit of a waste, especially on something as powerful as a carnifex