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In the codex it says that vehicles can not come through a webway portal. My inquiry is can Hellions, Jetbiikes, Scourges, a Chronos or Talos come through the portal? The codex doesn't mention if a MC or Jump infantry can come through the portal. My opinion is why not? It doesn't say you can't. Can anyone help me out here?

If any of the mentioned units are vehicles or operate under the vehicle rules then they may not use the portal. Otherwise, feel free.

Well as the webway portal reads

any of your units arriving from reserve...

Vehicles may not enter play via a webway portal.

That gives you all the rules you need for what can come out. ANY unit can come out, except vehicles. This means talos, cronos, reavers, etc can come out of a webway, just not vehicles.

Alright thanks. Here is another question I have. Can you take more than one webway portal?

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:Alright thanks. Here is another question I have. Can you take more than one webway portal?

Do you mean more than one per army or more than one per model?

Yes, you can have more than one per army (on different models), but a single model isn't allowed to double up choices in a "Take up to two of the following" list.

solkan wrote:
Yes, you can have more than one per army (on different models), but a single model isn't allowed to double up choices in a "Take up to two of the following" list.

Actually so long as you don't take two items that are one per army, you may take two webway portals that can be activated on several shooting phases since it's used instead of a shooting attack.

Lone Dragoon wrote:

solkan wrote:
Yes, you can have more than one per army (on different models), but a single model isn't allowed to double up choices in a "Take up to two of the following" list.

Actually so long as you don't take two items that are one per army, you may take two webway portals that can be activated on several shooting phases since it's used instead of a shooting attack.

I really love it when people argue in favor of S7 and S8 Daemonic Heralds, but it's still wrong.

A single Haemonculus cannot take the same choice twice from that list.

I would just like to say that it is bullcrap that Vehicles can't use the WWP, especially since they clearly do it in the fluff. On the other hand, why would you need to when every single dark eldar vehicle is fast? But still...

Maybe the WWP that a Haemy drops are smaller version designed for tactical battle field use rather than wholesale invasions? I would imagine something large enough to fit a vehicle through it might be difficult to carry?

I agree on the one per Haemy, it doesn't say you can purchase it multiple times so you cannot.

Just for clarification. The portal is not a 1 per army item so you can have more than 1 in your force. However, each model/character can only purchase 1 so in order to have more than 1 portal you need to have at least 2 models that can, and do, purchase the portal.

Interesting. Is there another precedent where the limit is one per model? I ask as others have stated that it is OK.

Homer

The precedent is it says you may take 'a' webway portal for X, it does not say you may take more than one. You need to be told you can take the upgrade more than once. All upgrades function this way, the only difference is generally there is no point to running around with 4 Storm Shields so noone really tries to argue it.

If you want two portals then you can field either an Archon and an Haemonculus, two Archons or two Haemonculi.

You can actually take up to six of them, since you can take 1-3 Haemonculi per HQ slot.

calypso2ts wrote:The precedent is it says you may take 'a' webway portal for X, it does not say you may take more than one. You need to be told you can take the upgrade more than once. All upgrades function this way, the only difference is generally there is no point to running around with 4 Storm Shields so noone really tries to argue it.

The codex says "- Webway Portal for x points" and in the statement above the list it says up to 2. It does not say "1 WWP" or even "a WWP". It is somewhat silent on whether or not you can take duplicates.

Homer

solkan wrote:I really love it when people argue in favor of S7 and S8 Daemonic Heralds, but it's still wrong.

A single Haemonculus cannot take the same choice twice from that list.

Something to note, Daemonic gifts are not wargear. While it says they are the equivalent to it, they are not wargear.

calypso2ts wrote:The precedent is it says you may take 'a' webway portal for X, it does not say you may take more than one. You need to be told you can take the upgrade more than once. All upgrades function this way, the only difference is generally there is no point to running around with 4 Storm Shields so noone really tries to argue it.

Leo_the_Rate wrote:However, each model/character can only purchase 1 so in order to have more than 1 portal you need to have at least 2 models that can, and do, purchase the portal.

Something to note, weapons are a type of wargear and in the main rulebook there is specific permission given to field two of the same items. Now I know not all wargear are weapons, but all weapons ARE wargear (If you disagree with this, look under units in every codex, all their weapons are listed under wargear). So it has given precedence to allow two of the same pieces of wargear. So unless it expressly states in the codices that you are limited to one piece of wargear, I'd say you can take duplicates.

Lone Dragon- please tell me which codex (or codices) allow you to buy more than one of the same weapon without trading it for something else. I acknowledge that you can have 2 thunder hammers on the same character if you trade your pistol and CCW for them. But, I don't know of any codex that allows a figure to purchase 2 of the same items without explicit permission.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:Lone Dragon- please tell me which codex (or codices) allow you to buy more than one of the same weapon without trading it for something else. I acknowledge that you can have 2 thunder hammers on the same character if you trade your pistol and CCW for them. But, I don't know of any codex that allows a figure to purchase 2 of the same items without explicit permission.

As I said, you don't have to be given explicit permission as you already have permission to do so. It is up to the codex to be more specific than the rule book and say you cannot take two. The thing to keep in mind with this; like I said already not all wargear are weapons, but all weapons ARE wargear. The problem is by saying you can have 2 TH, if you you give up 2 other weapons. Wargear can be gained for "free", by which I mean not giving anything up not free pointswise. It is how the thunderhammers are listed in C:SM that forces you to give up the Bolt pistol/CCW. It's how the Marine codex was written that prevents him from taking two non-weapon wargear items.

Lone Dragoon wrote:
Something to note, weapons are a type of wargear and in the main rulebook there is specific permission given to field two of the same items. Now I know not all wargear are weapons, but all weapons ARE wargear (If you disagree with this, look under units in every codex, all their weapons are listed under wargear). So it has given precedence to allow two of the same pieces of wargear. So unless it expressly states in the codices that you are limited to one piece of wargear, I'd say you can take duplicates.

This isn't actually true. The Tau codex simply refers to them as battle suit systems and battle suit weapons, and they fall under the category of ""armoury" and equipment. They make no mention of wargear. Also tyranids have no mention of wargear in the codex.

You're simply assuming the battlesuit armoury is the only one. Look at the infantry armoury, and in the paragraph up top it specifically prevents you from taking 2 of the same pieces of wargear. As for Tyranids they don't use the terminology wargear, they use biomorphs. However did you notice that it is always weapons and biomorphs? It implies that biomorphs and weapons are not the same thing, and that biomorphs are not wargear.

I am simply pointing out that your blanket statement that all codices refer to all weapos as wargear is not correct. Biomorphs are not wargear and the tyranid codex never calls them as such.

In the tau codex if the battlesuit weapons are wargear why are they listed under a different title?

Also to add if weapons are wargear then would tau have to use part of their 100 point wargear allotment to weapons?

First of all, something to keep in mind is that the tau codex was written for fourth edition (early fourth edition if I recall, as they have the old style format) where they used different wording for almost everything. Next is that battlesuits have specific rules regarding how you may equip them, and as it has the old format they reference the armoury rather than specific wargear pieces. They do not list the type of armor they have as C:SM does, or DE, or even IG, so does that mean they don't have armor, but get a 3+ armor save? No, it's just in how everything has started to be presented, and when the next Tau codex comes out if they still list it as wargear, weapons, and support systems I'll eat crow.

Melchiour wrote:Also to add if weapons are wargear then would tau have to use part of their 100 point wargear allotment to weapons?

No it wouldn't, as they have specific allowance to spend 100 points on wargear after having selected weapons and support systems. The rule reads, "These may be in any combination, up to any points cost within the normal limits." The emphasis on not having to buy your weapons from the 100 points is mine.

Again I am simply saying that your blanket statement was not correct. Had you said look at any 5th edition codex maybe. My point is do not make a blanket statement unless you know it to be 100% true. And again. Tyranids are 5th edition and make no mention of wargear, only biomorphs. Yes they are similar, but not the same unless I missed a rule that says biomorphs work as wargear for all intents and purposes.

Lone Dragoon wrote:As I said, you don't have to be given explicit permission as you already have permission to do so. It is up to the codex to be more specific than the rule book and say you cannot take two. The thing to keep in mind with this; like I said already not all wargear are weapons, but all weapons ARE wargear. The problem is by saying you can have 2 TH, if you you give up 2 other weapons. Wargear can be gained for "free", by which I mean not giving anything up not free pointswise. It is how the thunderhammers are listed in C:SM that forces you to give up the Bolt pistol/CCW. It's how the Marine codex was written that prevents him from taking two non-weapon wargear items.

Where do you find that you have permission to purchase the same item twice? Please give me a citation. I don't see anything in the basic rulebook that talks about purchasing optional equipment except to say that it is an option to purchase additional equipment.
In looking at the DE codex it says that you can take any of the following- and then lists "webway portal" as an option. It does not say "webway portals" (plural) nor does the cost say "each". Therefore a model may only purchase one webway portal once.

All on page 42

Two of the same special weapon

Only a second powerfist, thunderhammer, or lightning claw can confer a bonus attack to a model equipped with one of these weapons.

That line states to that you may have two of the same weapons, and as I already pointed out weapons are wargear. By allowing you to have two pieces of wargear that are the same, you are given permission to take two of the same pieces of wargear. Now it says nothing about points costs, because you do not purchase the items, you take the items. Unless there is something that limits you such as the Animus Vitae or the Casket of flensing, since they are a 1 per army choice, you are free to take multiple pieces of wargear that are the same because you are able to carry duplicate wargear.

Lone Dragoon wrote:All on page 42

Two of the same special weapon

Only a second powerfist, thunderhammer, or lightning claw can confer a bonus attack to a model equipped with one of these weapons.

That line states to that you may have two of the same weapons.

Wait what,...... No it dose not. It's point out you need 2 PF TH LC to get the extra attack, nothing about how many you can buy . Or "take" as you put it, nothing what so ever.

Lone Dragoon wrote:All on page 42

Two of the same special weapon

Only a second powerfist, thunderhammer, or lightning claw can confer a bonus attack to a model equipped with one of these weapons.

That line states to that you may have two of the same weapons, and as I already pointed out weapons are wargear. By allowing you to have two pieces of wargear that are the same, you are given permission to take two of the same pieces of wargear. Now it says nothing about points costs, because you do not purchase the items, you take the items. Unless there is something that limits you such as the Animus Vitae or the Casket of flensing, since they are a 1 per army choice, you are free to take multiple pieces of wargear that are the same because you are able to carry duplicate wargear.

These instances give you rules on how two weapons will be treated but does not give permission to buy two. You are using the above to make your own conclusions.

A rule saying you must have 2X to do Y does not give permission to buy 2X.

Look at the heading of one of the paragraphs that I also posted, Two of the same special weapon. If there is are rules detailing what happens when you have two of the same special weapon, then the following is true. The paragraph is saying you have two of the same weapons, and if you have two of the same weapons (and the rule in this case saying you do) you then you have permission to have them. If it covers what happens by having two of the same weapons, it is a legal choice to have two of the same in other words. So you have permission to equip them as such.

Under Haemonculus it says "take up to two of the following pieces of arcane wargear." Now as I have permission to have two of the same pieces of wargear, as I pointed out having the two pieces is a legal model, because there is nothing explicitly preventing you from taking duplicates. Save for any item that is one per army.

How about a very easy interpretation that is- If a model comes with one of X and if it buys a second X then Y occurs. Or this is what you do if a model comes with 2 X.
All that paragraph does is explain what to do when in a certain situation. It, in no way, is permissive about purchasing two of the same item from the optional item/wargear list. If it was then it would start with something like, "When a model purchases 2 X then...". The only time that you have permission to purchase 2 of the same options is when the codex explicitly states that you can.
The DE codex is giving you a list of single items of which you can choose 2. Not one of those items listed is pluralized and again none of the cost says "each". By your logic you only need to pay X points for 2 portals since it doesn't say that the point cost is per item only that whatever quantity of that item you want cost X amount.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:Just for clarification. The portal is not a 1 per army item so you can have more than 1 in your force. However, each model/character can only purchase 1 so in order to have more than 1 portal you need to have at least 2 models that can, and do, purchase the portal.

Ok that is what I was thinking. Thank you very much Leo.