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I've been planning to proxy in troopers carrying rifle grenades (mounted on guns similar to the Imperial Blasters from the later Star Wars films) as plasma guns in my Jin Roh esque Imperial Guard army and I'm really just wondering if anyone could give their opinion on this interpretation of the rules and if they'd let it fly in games.

My camera's busted right now, but this is jist: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=155868

A rifle-grenade would fit a grenade launcher much better. Plasma rilfes are a high-powered rapid firing weapon, which a single-shot weapon with a relatively convoluted reload process doesn't match well.

I'd agree with willydstyle.

You're making Jin Roh IG?

I hope you make or have a blog about it, I'd love to see them.

Heh. Well I already have grenade launchers within my infantry platoon and wanted to try something different for my vets. My thinking with Plasma Rifles was that when you fire a single shot you take the time to carefully aim it-thus longer range-, and with the rapid firing you just pump the trigger more, not taking the time to effectively aim. With the grenade rifles its kind of the same principle, but just reloading the shot faster for rapid fire or the like. The fluff for them has them being shaped charges, thus high penetration, small explosions. Meh, they look cool though and fit with the fluff-plasma rifles are far too advanced for my lads.^^

I'll probably post a thread once I can get hold of a working camera. Right now the army's consisting of just a few squads (all Panzer cops vets mind), bulked up by a load of mostly unpainted PDF elements. =P

And the Get's Hot part could be easily covered by a faulty round detonating in the barrel...

When you're going for aesthetics, so long as it's consistent and clearly defined no one should complain. Really, even if something's not entirely consistent people shouldn't complain, but some of them probably would anyways...

Especially when you are using actual grenade launchers as well, it will become way too confusing. I wouldn't like to play such proxies.

Enginseer wrote:Especially when you are using actual grenade launchers as well, it will become way too confusing. I wouldn't like to play such proxies.

Unless the normal grenade launchers also look like RPGs, where would there be room for confusion? "These things with RPGs sticking out the barrel? Plasma rifles. The normal 40K grenade launchers? Grenade launchers."

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Enginseer wrote:Especially when you are using actual grenade launchers as well, it will become way too confusing. I wouldn't like to play such proxies.

Unless the normal grenade launchers also look like RPGs, where would there be room for confusion? "These things with RPGs sticking out the barrel? Plasma rifles. The normal 40K grenade launchers? Grenade launchers."

And then you could even use the Steel Legion missile launchers, that also look like RPGs, to make things even more exciting and confusing!

It's just a bad idea.

The Grenade Launchers that I'm using in my Infantry platoons are clearly grenade launchers-cycling magazines, the works-, whereas the Grenade Rifles in my vet squads don't look a thing like those, or pretty much any other weapon in the system (a stripped down, archaic melta perhaps, if it weren't for the grenade being fired out the end. There different enough.¬¬). Meh, I'm putting in the work to make my army different from the out of the box nonsence that everyone else has at my local, I'm just wanting to avoid games desending into stupid arguements (lot's of prats there too¬¬).

I'm all for non-standard armies! Go wild! Just make sure there are no confusing weapons (which there clearly are here).

Oh, and after rereading you fluff-justification. You're saying that the "rapid fire" comes from quicker reloading? But why would a grenade-rifle be quicker to reload then a grenade launcher which actually uses a drum containing several grenades?
Just my 2 cents.

Uh...then why aren't grenade launchers rapid fire then? ¬¬ Call it a slow cycling system.

You asked whether or not people would accept rifle-launched grenades. I think the consensus is that they don't make any sense. Why come into a thread asking for people's opinions, then argue against them?

Yes of course, they are slow cycling and not rapid-fire. That is reserved for machine gun speeds.

You just said the (hand loaded) grenade-rifle would be quicker (than the semi-automatic grenade launcher) and justifiable as rapid-fire. Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.

That being said; Good look on your army!

i'd say they're a perfect conversion for grenade launchers since that's what 90% of people who just look at them will think. if you didn't have any grenade launchers in your army at all and only used plasma as your special weapon of choice, i'd be fine with it as long as i was told in advance. if you've got a mix of weapons, i'd say don't use that conversion.

Uhuh... Meh, just posting to ask people's general opion and if they'd be a cool idea. ¬¬

Oh and my army's set during early M34 and on the fringes of Imperial Space. So yeah, clunky technology.

I like the idea of an 'ancient' technology army. I think you should just leave the plasma where it belongs, in the future.
I think you could make a viable army using autocannons/flamers/grenade launchers/missile launchers/heavy bolters/etc.

Uh, wouldn't there actually be more plasma weapons around M34? Seeing as how they're generally described as "becoming scarcer" as forgeworlds forget how to make them and all...

There are plasma weapons present on the planet where my army's from, but their imported from offworld forgeworlds + the general level of weapons technology is really at lasgun level-autoguns for all ^^ (not to say that there isn't high technology present in other areas of society, their just isolated). Really I'm just wanting to try out my modeling skills with this army (say that its more for show than actual gaming) and want to represent other forms of tech that're used in the Imperium, but not commonly depicted on models etc-arc welder/arc projector meltaguns, archaic (though perhaps more effecient) tank designs, etc. =P