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Ok so here I am reading my possibly downloaded Codexes when I notice one thing, the Imperium has not done much to proactively combat the Gribble horde(tyranids), so I thought CUSTOM MARINE CHAPTER err well my mind is kinda limited and squirrel like. I figured some bigwig has realised Tyranids learn(omg!!!!) and so the High Council(or w/ever its called) looked for a non-scripture thumping tactics, yet a group that is not renowned for going berserk(as creator knows) and so they chose the Black Templars...

Here is the list/details/random crap


Name: Leviathan Stalkers

Mission: Seek and annihalate Tendrils of Hive Fleet Leviathan
Geneseed/Codex:Black Templars
Leader: Marshal Tanius
Dreadnoughts:23(all are pretty much loaners) with Bjorn The Fell Handed as temporary leader
Fleet:19 Strike Vessels, 8 Battle Barges, 29 Rapid Strike Vessels, 27 Thunder Hawks, 40 Stormravens (Highlights focus on space prefferences)
Armoury:31 Techmarines, 25 Predators, 8 Vindicators, 12 Whirlwinds, 15 land raiders
Apothecary:14 apothecaries
15 Chaplains
900+ Initiates
117 Sword Brethren
Items of Note:Bran Redmaws Wolf Company (makes sense considering SW wouldnt just let bjorn go without some escort), Fmr. Inquisitor Lord Kryptman, several tyranid Experienced captains


So what do you guys think

P.s. If my spelling/grammar is attrocious its because I need sleep

Bjorn the Fell handed?
Space Wolves only wake him up in times of "dire need" or basically everytime they get caught short on Fenris with no troops. There is no way they would lend him out to random chapters.
Otherwise no too bad. Though the association with Kryptman may put the chapter under strain from the Inq.
8 battlebarges is alot. Most chapter manage 3-4 at the most afaik.

purplefood wrote:Bjorn the Fell handed?
Space Wolves only wake him up in times of "dire need" or basically everytime they get caught short on Fenris with no troops. There is no way they would lend him out to random chapters.
Otherwise no too bad. Though the association with Kryptman may put the chapter under strain from the Inq.
8 battlebarges is alot. Most chapter manage 3-4 at the most afaik.

I wanted to find a pretty good excuse to throw in Space wolves
Inquisitor Kryptman would put some strain but for this I'm assuming High Lords told the inquisition where to shove it(considering leviathan is on due course for earth)
and the Battle Barges is for emphasis on naval(or w/ever the term is for space warfare)warfare and just the nature the beast(no pun intended) this chapter would be devoted to killing

Give them 6 battle barges and a really big battleship that serves as their chapter HQ (i'm presuming they're space bound)
If you want Bjorn and some SW say that the Great Company have sworn a mighty oath (it has to be a mighty one mind you) to avenge their fallen brothers slain by Hive Fleet [Scaryname] and as such the masters of the Fang have awoken Bjorn to acopany them to secure their vengence.

purplefood wrote:Give them 6 battle barges and a really big battleship that serves as their chapter HQ (i'm presuming they're space bound)
If you want Bjorn and some SW say that the Great Company have sworn a mighty oath (it has to be a mighty one mind you) to avenge their fallen brothers slain by Hive Fleet [Scaryname] and as such the masters of the Fang have awoken Bjorn to acopany them to secure their vengence.

I'll just have to DL a BFG book and see whats suitable and I'll probably ditch bjorn and just say the SW have promised support(hey we like the idea behind this crusade) and voila a company

Edit: I really need to learn words like a, and the are important

Check the SM codex for ship info there is some there as well. Also Lexicanum can help a lot.

You might want to order some of the old tyrannic war veterans and maybe Cassius (I know everyone hates ultramarines, but...), either say they're along for the trip or you could convert them to your chapter colours etc

purplefood wrote:
8 battlebarges is alot. Most chapter manage 3-4 at the most afaik.

Then again, the Black Templars are notorious for not caring the least about the Codex Astartes, a fact illustrated by them having dozens of battle-barges.

@ Dark Apostle, I dont have much of a problem with Ultras(as in I was thinkin of havin the 1st company captain as the chapter master)
@ Almighty and that is why I love noncodex SM

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

purplefood wrote:
8 battlebarges is alot. Most chapter manage 3-4 at the most afaik.

Then again, the Black Templars are notorious for not caring the least about the Codex Astartes, a fact illustrated by them having dozens of battle-barges.

Yeah but they also have around 6000 marines so if you divided it up to 1000 marines you would end up about equal or slightly over in battle barge numbers.

Something to keep in mind is that this chapter is in essence pimped out to deal with the Xenos threat

purplefood wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

purplefood wrote:
8 battlebarges is alot. Most chapter manage 3-4 at the most afaik.

Then again, the Black Templars are notorious for not caring the least about the Codex Astartes, a fact illustrated by them having dozens of battle-barges.

Yeah but they also have around 6000 marines so if you divided it up to 1000 marines you would end up about equal or slightly over in battle barge numbers.

and the Black Templars have been around since the second founding so actually have the resources and political clout to maintain such an organisation.

Wardragoon wrote:Something to keep in mind is that this chapter is in essence pimped out to deal with the Zenos threat

The IoM has actually been busy fighting the 'nids, its just not presented in the army books, the deathwatch is very procactive in kicking xeno scum.

instead of your fluff being about a single chapter would a taskforce or crusade be better? this would allow elements of multiple chapters and imperial navy, it would also allow inquisitors and the deathwatch to get involved as part of a 'fast-track' training to prepare chapters for the tyranid threat.

Hmm I do like the idea of a crusade more come to think of it, AWAY TO FLUFFY LAND

Well, the first thing I can think of would be...would the Black Templars follow the directives of the High Lords of Terra, or just do their own thing? Likely the latter.

The High Lords and the Black Templars have a pretty strained relationship. The Black Templars are autonomous to a level beyond the other Space Marine Chapters, roaming about as they please pretty much. It's unlikely the High Lords of Terra would ever ask them to be the basis of a new chapter.

Also, the last Space Marine founding was in the year 738 of M41, and the 'nids didn't appear until the year 745 M41.

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Having a combined Crusade of Space Wolves and Black Templars sounds like a kick-ass idea however, but I do wish to ask why they would have a focus on Naval Warfare, when fluff-wise, you've chosen chapters with a close-combat preference.

To me at least, it would make more sense to just have the Crusade accompanied by an Imperial Navy Battlegroup. That way, you can pretty much make it as many ships as you like, and the Astartes remain doing what Astartes do best, kicking ass and taking names in combat, leaving the regular humans (And a few Astartes), to the naval warfare.

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What is the ratio of Black Templars to Space Wolves? Are Bjorn and the (I'm guessing that's actually meant to be Wolf Guard? Or Great Company?) the only Space Wolves, and the others are all Black Templars, or are the numbers more even? Because it is a very sizeable force (15 Chaplains! NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR!) indeed, and alot of heavy armor, so I look forward to the fluff (If you write it), that reasons out why the Space Wolves and Black Templars (Two of the most openly rebellious chapters against the High Lords) have dedicated so much of their forces to this assault, and how the dishonored Inquisitor Kryptman is involved.

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:Well, the first thing I can think of would be...would the Black Templars follow the directives of the High Lords of Terra, or just do their own thing? Likely the latter.

The High Lords and the Black Templars have a pretty strained relationship. The Black Templars are autonomous to a level beyond the other Space Marine Chapters, roaming about as they please pretty much. It's unlikely the High Lords of Terra would ever ask them to be the basis of a new chapter.

Also, the last Space Marine founding was in the year 738 of M41, and the 'nids didn't appear until the year 745 M41.

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Having a combined Crusade of Space Wolves and Black Templars sounds like a kick-ass idea however, but I do wish to ask why they would have a focus on Naval Warfare, when fluff-wise, you've chosen chapters with a close-combat preference.

To me at least, it would make more sense to just have the Crusade accompanied by an Imperial Navy Battlegroup. That way, you can pretty much make it as many ships as you like, and the Astartes remain doing what Astartes do best, kicking ass and taking names in combat, leaving the regular humans (And a few Astartes), to the naval warfare.

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What is the ratio of Black Templars to Space Wolves? Are Bjorn and the (I'm guessing that's actually meant to be Wolf Guard? Or Great Company?) the only Space Wolves, and the others are all Black Templars, or are the numbers more even? Because it is a very sizeable force (15 Chaplains! NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR!) indeed, and alot of heavy armor, so I look forward to the fluff (If you write it), that reasons out why the Space Wolves and Black Templars (Two of the most openly rebellious chapters against the High Lords) have dedicated so much of their forces to this assault, and how the dishonored Inquisitor Kryptman is involved.

On the first note, I'm calling uber ranks in diplomacy on the High Lords Part, and I made up my own founding that just happened(as in there are not even any viable recruits yet) and on the latter part I do kind of like the sound of it

Don't make up a founding...
You could say they are leading the crusade against the Tyranids and as such have begun to specialise in fighting them.
Have them from the newest founding the 26th iirc.