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hello,
I have heard now a few times about this so called IG vet alpha strike with the Valkyrie/Vendetta. Is it legal to take a scout move with the Valkyrie/Vendetta when there are non-scout units aboard (e.g., vets). I checked the rules and the only explicit ruling is that units with the scout USR transfer this to a dedicated transport when they are embarked. Is there an explicit ruling on this or is it left up to interpretation?

Thanks

Yes. Just like a Drop pod can deep strike, even if those aboard don't have the Deep strike rule.

Im simply trying to understand...where is this supported in the rulebook? I certainly dont disagree that drop pods work the way you describe, but this is not addressed one way or the other in the rulebook. I wonder if this is covered in the specific codices (i imagine that it would be, but I dont have a codex with drop pods)? If this is the case, then I would expect the same to be specifically addressed for the scout USR in the situation I describe.

The unit inside the vehicle isn't performing a scout move.

Why are you convinced that the embarked unit has to (or has to be able to), in order for the vehicle to perform a scout move?

My response is what Solkan already said...


No rule is needed. Same reason a skimmer transport can go over obstacles, even if the passengers are not skimmers.

ok, well thx guys. just some background...I was taking a look at the faq for an upcoming local tourney and the same issue was addressed for "out flanking" and was ruled illegal, so I spoke with the TO to clear my issue up. He said hed look at the rules and come up with a ruleing for me before the tourney. I just wanted to have a clear argument for him, if it came to it. I was hoping this was explicitly addressed somewhere and I missed it. Personally, I agree with you gentlemen, but I just wanted some input from the dakka community.

The most straight forward argument is this:

The entire point of getting in a vehicle is to accomplish something that the squad can't normally do, because the vehicle does it.

A regular infantry unit can only move 6". But embarked on a vehicle, they can move 12" or more!
A regular infantry unit can't deep strike. But embarked on a drop pod, they can!
A regular infantry unit can't scout or outflank. But embarked on a the right vehicle they can!

Of course, a TO has every right to simply say flat out that the Valk/Vendetta can't outflank, as a rule change, for any number of reasons. I hope that that rule change is being made for a really good reason. But it would be a rule change to do that.

For the Scout Move at the start of the game its pretty simple. The vehicle has the rule and is making the move.

However the whole outflanking thing is very murky as the rulebook was written before there were any scouting transport vehicles capable of carrying non-scouting troops. The main point of comparison appears to be that drop pods automatically confer Deep Strike on transported units, however this isn't actually written down anywhere.

My opinion is that the Reserves RAW indicates that you can't outflank in a scouting transport, unless the transported unit can also outflank. This doesn't seem to be a very popular opinion, however (although your TO seems to agree...)

Flinty wrote: The main point of comparison appears to be that drop pods automatically confer Deep Strike on transported units, however this isn't actually written down anywhere.

Except for the deepstriking rules(admittedly you need some reading comprehension skills and a moment to interpret it, so it is not terribly clear).


As a Note Flinty: I am not accusing you of not having any reading comprehension skills, just that you never really sat down and and studied the line on page 95: 'In the movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle."

Nothing is ever personal on this board, its all good

However I would argue that the line you are referencing isn't relevant. By stating "these units" I would say that it refers back to the very first line of the Deep Strike rules where it says "Some units' special rules allow them to enter play...". This implies that in order to disembark from the deep striking transport the unit must also have the Deep Strike rule.

Wouldn't that mean that you couldn't put Tac Squads into drop pods? Something that can clearly be done since Tac Squads can purchase and (presumably) use to full effect.

I agree that it doesn't make sense, but as drop pods are specifically designed to allow stuff to drop from orbit its an easy interpretation to fix. However I still don't think that the comparison between drop pods and outflanking valkyries is valid.