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If necrons hate all life why are they not going nuts to kill the nids? Everything about the nids is a living thing, i just dont get who the necrons would hate all life and yet the perfect life is there and there not on a killing spree.

O i know nothing about necron fluff.

The Necrons "harvest" living beings (and their "souls" in particular) for the C'tan; Tyranids are soulless beasts only controlled by the Hivemind

According to Codex Daemonhunters Tyranids have souls. According to Codex Tyranids, They have an evil streak in them

Maybe something's up with the 'Nids souls the C'tan don't like?

Could the hive mind not be one big soul? and if it is would the c'tan not want that?

Like i said i know nothing bout necrons there kind of like a black area lol

sexiest_hero wrote:According to Codex Daemonhunters Tyranids have souls. According to Codex Tyranids, They have an evil streak in them

Tyranids have one massive soul called the hivemind and I would love to see a c'tan harvest that.

sexiest_hero wrote:According to Codex Daemonhunters Tyranids have souls. According to Codex Tyranids, They have an evil streak in them

Big pointy teeth and a mean streak a mile wide.

Some of their souls fueled a chaos gate. There is even a bit about daemon possessed tyranids.

sexiest_hero wrote:Some of their souls fueled a chaos gate. There is even a bit about daemon possessed tyranids.

The only Chaos related Tryranids i've ever read about was a hive-ship captured by the Iron Warriors and used for transport (or something along those lines)

gloomygrim wrote:
If necrons hate all life why are they not going nuts to kill the nids?

The necrons are rather defensive yet, they tend to kick tresspassers off their territory and may even hunt said who disturb their Lords.
But Necrons do not fight for territorial gains.
The necrons will deal with the nids if the bugs threathen the "ressources" of their C'tan overlords.
We shall see more active necrons when they get redone. Actually all we have are sleepy Tomb-guards showing up. This will change.

Repeat after me: Necrons do not harvest souls...

corpsesarefun wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:According to Codex Daemonhunters Tyranids have souls. According to Codex Tyranids, They have an evil streak in them

Tyranids have one massive soul called the hivemind and I would love to see a c'tan harvest that.

Maybe its impossible to harvest the life essence of the Tyranids since there are simply so many. Its a waste of resources and if you were a giant hord of the living dead wouldn't you rather go for the easy prey first before finishing off the most difficult prey?

Nurglitch wrote:Repeat after me: Necrons do not harvest souls...

But their bosses do, and that's what counts.

Nurglitch wrote:Repeat after me: Necrons do not harvest souls...

C'tan eat life energy.

Do souls not equal life energy? Serious fluff question.

There is something in the Necron codex about Hive Fleet Leviathan detouring around Necron territory, and some broad references to suggest that there is a relationship between the two races.

Plus tomb worlds are usually lifeless, so very poor fare for a hive fleet, who would have to expend biomass to eat them.

Necrons hate all life, and want it gone, but could give a mechanical rats left motor for your soul. The C'Tan absorb your life energy, not your soul per se.

Recent Nid fluff and Bangles fluff have nids absorbing souls (thenak, cruddace *sigh* ) and Necrons allying with Marines to kill Nids (*why??*) but the older, and far less fanboi fluff in the Necron codex is more creepy, for me..

not only that, the necrons have the ability to shut off the warp in a localised area, cant immagine the hive mind likes seeing whole hive fleets "vanish"

corpsesarefun:

There's a fluff piece in Codex: Necrons wherein Abbadon and his pet sorcerer Zaraphiston consult a daemon and learn that there's a glut of unclaimed souls being cast adrift around Mars.

So no, in the Cartesian Warhammer 40,000 universe "life energy" isn't the same as "soul". The former being material, and the second immaterial.

Formosa wrote:not only that, the necrons have the ability to shut off the warp in a localised area, cant immagine the hive mind likes seeing whole hive fleets "vanish"

Not sure that the nids would be especially concerned, seeing as they don't use the warp for anything (travel, communication, psychic powers etc). Which bit of necron fluff are you referring to?

Yo Nurglich, always a pleasure

RE: Annimator
Anywho, I assume you are joking with the nids not useing the Warp for anything right?
untill it got ret-conned they used it for travel (but not anymore)
they use the warp to communicate , the hive mind is sent through psychic signals, cut of the nids from the warp and say hello to "instinctual behavior"
And all the nids Psychic powers are... psychic.. from the hive mind... which casts a shadow in the.. warp

and the Necrons Built the pylons on Cadia which calm the warp in the area, but there are not enough of them to stop the Eye all together.
there are also the pariahs, depending on level they could halt a nid advance very quickly as they lose contact with the Hive mind.

I just want to add that most "fluff" things we have are from an Imperial perspective. Maybe the Necrons have been wiping out tyranids and nobody Imperial saw it.

The tree fell in the forest and made no noise.

They use the warp for travel but not anymore? I'm confused? My read of the codex fluff was that they didn't have warp drives or such tech, but rode gravity waves, so were slower than the races of other fleets, but not affected by things like warp storms etc.

They were also separate from the warp for psychic powers, hence their psychic tests reflect feedback from using the hive minds will, not getting eaten by daemons. I've not read anywhere specific about comms via the warp for nids, although I'll concede if its written somewhere.

Lastly, the shadow in the warp is due to the smothering influence of the hive mind, not in the warp, but due to the absolute absence of it, in a similar way to the pariah effect. Again, I'm happy to be corrected if it's down somewhere as being a specifically warp derived power, not one that influences the warp by its absence.

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:I just want to add that most "fluff" things we have are from an Imperial perspective. Maybe the Necrons have been wiping out tyranids and nobody Imperial saw it.

The tree fell in the forest and made no noise.

this is exactly what i think too, the Crons like dead worlds, the imperials dont want them, the nids come across the "dead" world (dead as in it has no life, but still has oceans, dirt etc. all the stuff nids would consume) wake up the Crons and be wiped out. Remember that Crons have weapons that can easily blast ships out of orbit, and these same weapons can then teleport elsewhere on the PLANET to shoot again, how are you going to fight that. this conbined with the Pylons that they may have on planet, the nids would be outmanuevered, out gunned and out attritioned.
Its like GW designed the Crons to combat the big bad nids fluff wise


RE: Reanamator
Ah i see where you went wrong on the travel there, Bassically nids used to use the warp like everyone else to travel, this was changed in the new codex... Narvels.. bloody stupid idea

As to the not getting eaten by Daemons, that is becaus eof the shadow in the warp protecting them, the psychic powers are still warp based, all psychic powers are

As to the shadow in the warp, you got your wires crossed there mate, its a smothering influence IN the warp, so many signals are being sent by so many psychic creatures that nothing can get through.. cept the nids

all this is in the New Nid codex and lexicanum and all previous codexii
Hope i helped

In my opinion just because they use Psyker rules dose not mean they use the Warp see page 33 of the codex under Tyranid Psykers. They could be using the term because they basically do the same thing just in a different way. My understanding is that GW would rather use a preexisting system rather create a new system to do basically the same thing, and would you really want there to be a separate set of rules JUST for Tyranids powers or would you rather have them be subject to the same risks other psykers take?

Tyranids use the warp, otherwise Hoods couldn't shut down their powers.

upliftingprimer:

It's interesting that you should mention that, because Codex: Daemons is conspicuous for its lack of psychic powers. But I'm going to go with the "psychic power means warp power" hardline in the fluff rather than make up a special third way between the Immaterium and Materium. The question isn't whether they use the Warp, it's how. Well, we know they use it for communication, why not power-transmission?

I like to think of the Tyranids as being like the universe's immune system from Gunbuster, evolved as a galactic predator in response to the Chaos incursions in our galaxy that began over 65 million years ago. The Milky Way is where Chaos broke through, and where once again it threatens to open open a warp-storm centered on the Astronomicon. The Astronomicon is like the call of the Genestealer, psychic.

Well seeing how weak the C'tan are, *cough Mephiston cough* I believe they need to gain more strength from easily harvested souls than something as strong as the Hivemind.

That’s game mechanics. Would you rather they called it something different and hoods didn’t do that?

corpsesarefun wrote: C'tan eat life energy.

Do souls not equal life energy? Serious fluff question.

You are correct good sir.

Although C'tan can consume all forms of energy, they started with stars after all. They have since moved to life energy, due it being more appealing. Which does include souls.
Hence why the Necrons use Soul Forges to gather energy for the C'tan to harvest.

You have to remember that the Necrons/C'tan are just waking up. What they choose to do to each race is, and always will be, a mystery.

upliftingprimer wrote:That’s game mechanics. Would you rather they called it something different and hoods didn’t do that?

look i see what you mean with this, but the problem is the tyranid fluff clearly states they are highly psychic and the Hivemind resides in the warp, casting its shadow. Now if Necrons had abilities that coused PITW or a Hood could stop, your point would be valid, however in the case of Nids fluff
and GM do match.

In short, Tyranids are Psychic, all Psychic power regardless of anything else needs the warp, being cut off from warp=No hive mind to transmit orders etc.

I understand your point of view, this is just my interpretation based off the codex, which says:

"Many Tyranid Creatures are also psykers. They do not draw power from the Warp in any fathomable way, but rather they harness a fraction of the Hive Mind's Gestalt will. This makes no difference for game purposes and these models still fallow all the rules for psykers - a Perils of the Warp attack instead representing massive cerebral trauma or synaptic feedback.”

It seems to me like comparing apples to oranges their still fruit they just come from different trees.