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I am trying to put together a 1500point IG list for an upcoming tournemnet. I am a fairly new 40k player and have been playing marines in one form or another and thought I would try somehting new. I am having a problem figuring out what to do for my heavy slot. Before you make your reccomendation please consider the following; for the local toruny's we are limited to onloy 2 choices per slot, so I can only have 2 heavy units or 2 heavy squads, also, if I spend over 345 points per squad/unit, and spend over 375 for the entire heavy slot I will be dinged on my overall score, I know it sounds odd, but that is what I am playing with.

My list currently has 3 vet squads, some chimera's and a valk plus a squad of vendetta's. For the heavy slot I have beening thinknig about a manticore and 2 hydra's, or some medusa w/ the lower ap rounds., I am feeling a little confused about the way that artillery fire works, do I have to be able draw LOS to my target? IN the case of the manticore, you get d3 templates, but does it scatter, the rules seem a little vauge. I guess I am just trying to figure out when you need LOS, when you dont, when it scatters and when it doesnt.

Thanks in advance for any help guys...

Ashton

I am feeling a little confused about the way that artillery fire works, do I have to be able draw LOS to my target?

If it is capable of firing as a Barrage, then no, but if you don't have LoS then you don't subtract your BS from scatter. However if firing as a barrage (with or without LoS) all cover works from the center of the blast rather than from the LoS of the gun (e.g. if they are behind a wall and the shell hits them behind it they don't get cover if firing as a barrage).

IN the case of the manticore, you get d3 templates, but does it scatter, the rules seem a little vauge.

It scatters. However there is some confusion on how exactly to resolve this. Some play it as a multiple barrage, where the templates "flip" off of the first one, others play it as D3 single blasts that are rolled for singly. The reason for this is that the Multiple Barrage rules would seem to cover this, except they specify "multiple weapons" firing as a barrage, where this is clearly only a single weapon firing multiple shots and as such does not actually fall under those rules. Ask your tournament organizer which they would prefer you to use.

Hope that helps

You probably should ask a MOD to move this thread over to the '40K Army Lists' section, you get more answers to this kind of question over there.

Thanks for the heads up, looks like they moved it...

As far as the clarifaction goes I pareciate it. Keeping in mind though the perameters that I have to build my list within, what would be a better choice;

-A squadron of hydras and a single manticore

-A squadron of hydra's and a squadron of artillery

-a single squadron of 2 russ's

-2 squadrons of russ's

-or some other combination that I am not seeing?

Ashton

I'd go for two single, independent Russ tanks.

I agree. 2 basic LRBT is probably your best bet.

What are your vets and ccs armed with, and how many are in chimeras, and how many in valks/vendettas? If you're running all melta and plasma (which you should...) in chimeras i'd reccomend 2 demolishers, or 2 hydras with a manticore. It depends on your play style ultimately. The demolishers require a more agressive approach, and the hydras and manticore require a more cautious play style.

Battle Tanks are great in that their 72" Ordinance can smash pretty much anything you want, and they're certainly tough enough to sit around and take pretty much anything your opponents can toss at you at such a range (that is, unless you like to blast away with your sponsons for even more carnage). Besides, you don't need to worry about cover as much as big ol' Bassies or the like.

I like artillery, but for most games a Russ or two will do the trick just fine.

Leprousy wrote:What are your vets and ccs armed with, and how many are in chimeras, and how many in valks/vendettas? If you're running all melta and plasma (which you should...) in chimeras i'd reccomend 2 demolishers, or 2 hydras with a manticore. It depends on your play style ultimately. The demolishers require a more agressive approach, and the hydras and manticore require a more cautious play style.

My CCS is armed with melta x 4 though I was thinking of going plasma x3 w/ a medic....not sure becuase of my lack of IG experience, not many IG players in my area so I dont see them much,part of my intrest in running them. I took vendetta's/valks and chimera's for support and transport options, to give me felxibility, if I go first or not, what the mission is ect....My vets are armed with melta x 3 and I was thinking of giving them the better armor. As far as playstyle I built this list w/ a sit back and shoot approach in mind. My original list had 2 manticores and 2 hydra's as my heavy, but with the changes to the FOC I need to make some changes to my heavy selection, everything else is gravy....

Personally I am leaning to the 2 hydra 1 manticore option(mostly becuase I already have the models...but hey what is another $75.00 to buy 2 more tanks right, everyone has the laying around...), but my fear is running one of something...that is never a good idea and I have learned through experience that taking 2 of something produces much better results than just one...but I suppose the range of the manticore can offer it a degree of protection that the lack of av12 offers.....This train of though gets me leaning toward 2 battle tanks, I loose some fire power, and over all target saturation, but gain in AV, this is where my lack of experience relaly comes in, I am not sure what to expect out of certain units/models.

Ashton

A squadron of 2 LRBT and a manticore might be best for you. Your vets can open up transports while the heavies pound what comes out. LRBT are pretty durable as long as you don't have anything deep striking. Manticores benefit from their ability to fire without LOS, so they shouldn't take any fire.

Battle Tanks can fire without LOS too; the Battle Cannon is Ordinance.

I do agree with Space Ghost that the two Russes and a Manticore are your best bet for the moment though.

ReardenPro wrote:Battle Tanks can fire without LOS too; the Battle Cannon is Ordinance.

Only barrage weapons can fire without LOS. Regular battle cannons need LOS

ReardenPro wrote:Battle Tanks can fire without LOS too; the Battle Cannon is Ordinance.

Ordnance just means it gets 2D6 pick the highest when calculating penetration rolls against armor.

D'oh! I'm a space cadet today. I think it's just best to ignore me for the moment. Or the next few years. I should be clear-thinking by then.

ReardenPro wrote:Battle Tanks can fire without LOS too; the Battle Cannon is Ordinance.

I do agree with Space Ghost that the two Russes and a Manticore are your best bet for the moment though.

did you guys read my original post? I am limited to 345pt's in my heavy slot, so a manticore, + 2 BT's comes to 460pt's, some 120pts over my alotment....this is the struggle I am having.....

Ashton

Then drop the manticore and take 2 LRBT. Forgot about that limitation. Manticore is nice, but having 2 large blast templates that can kill marines is a much better option.