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I end up playing WHFB with a friend who constantly makes direct model challenges. I.E. I'll have a group of clan-rats with a champion and a warlord in it. He'll say "My X challenges your warboss."

Later when I looked up the rules, it says that the defender gets to choose which model actually accepts the challenge. When I pointed this out, he said that each model he challenges with has a rule which allows them to challenge specific models, and that its in the codex(s).

So far he's done this using Empire and Lizardmen.

Are there units out there that have this special rule, or am I just being bamboozled. (He knows I'm new to WHFB)

Hmm...only thing I can think of that allows you to chose what model to challenge is the "Gauntlets of Duel" or whatever they are named and they are a Brettonnia Magic Item.
I don't think Lizardmen or Empire got something similiar...though I have not read their current army books.


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Anyways, when things like this come up I would advice you to ask him to show you the rule/item that enables it, possibly not during the game but atleast after.

The best bet to cover cases like this is to ask the player to show you the rule that allows them to do so. If they are unwilling to do so, then you can bet pretty safely that they are attempting some kind of shady trick.

I do not have my Lizardmen codex handy at the moment, but I cannot think of anyone in the LM codex that can directly challenge another.

In fact, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Wulfrik for the WoC army. I am sure there are others though.

No, unless he can produce a rule stating that specifically he can't.

and, To Iratus, The Gauntlet of the duel means someone must accept the fight [i.e. you can't say 'everyone declines your challange.'] one challangeable character must step up to the challange.

whats really fun, is a lord on griffon, you go and challange a unit with your knights, so of course the champ steps up, then you challange with the lord on griffon... who can't be denied.

works way to easily.

A good tactic is to attack a lone warlord character or wizard, and then challange him when you have the virtue of confidence, if you have the gauntlet he cannot refuse your challange, and assuming you've picked your target well, will be screwed.

Neither Empire nor lizardmen have any magic item that says they may direct challenges or that opponents must accept.

There is the Bretonnian Guantlet which can't be declined, but is in no way a direct challenge. Your "friend" has been cheating and lying.

If you are ever unsure of something, ask to see his army list, as they are only really "secret" in tournament settings, where a judge can verify things without showing the list to the enemy.

Captain Solon wrote:
whats really fun, is a lord on griffon, you go and challange a unit with your knights, so of course the champ steps up, then you challange with the lord on griffon... who can't be denied.

Hm. Perhaps I'm not understanding your comment, but I think you might have something wrong. You know that only one challenge may be ongoing in a given combat, right?

Iratus Custodis wrote:
Anyways, when things like this come up I would advice you to ask him to show you the rule/item that enables it, possibly not during the game but atleast after.

+1 on this.
He's confused or cheating. Make him produce the rule. Since he's done it more than once, either address it before a game, or make him produce the rule the first time he tries it. Because it's a repeat offense, with more than one army, I would bring the game to a halt to resolve the issue(if you don't do it before the game).
It's very possible that he's thinking some house rule he picked up somewhere is a real rule.

-Matt

Red_Zeke wrote:

Captain Solon wrote:
whats really fun, is a lord on griffon, you go and challange a unit with your knights, so of course the champ steps up, then you challange with the lord on griffon... who can't be denied.

Hm. Perhaps I'm not understanding your comment, but I think you might have something wrong. You know that only one challenge may be ongoing in a given combat, right?

this.

My favorite so far has been the slann being forced to accept a challenge and getting owned.

Are you able to challenge a slann? It isn't in the front rank and when with TG is never itself in combat unless the unit dies around it. And who doesn't take a champion in TG units?

there is only 1 character that can issue a direct challange and thats Wulfrik and his can't be denied under any circumstances.


Yes, a Slann in some TG could accept the challange(he is a character in a unit), but no one in their right mind wound do so and there really isn't a point in sending the Slann to the back.


and there is only 1 challange per combat, regardless of how many units there are involved. once a challange is done you can issue another.

This brings me to an odd question, if 3 units are in a fight and lets say unit A is on one side and units B1 and B2 are it's enemy, if someone in unit A issues a challenge can any character/champ in units B1 and B2 accept it?

Yes, any character or champion involved n the fight can issue and accept challenges

Nos, not exactly true. A character can only accept a challenge from a character who is in base contact with him or his unit. In complicated multiple combats, it's entirely possible for a character on one end of the combat to issue a challenge that a character on the far end can't accept.

Yea but my example only included three units, still a usefull bit of info thanks Malleus.

Grey Templar wrote:


Yes, a Slann in some TG could accept the challange(he is a character in a unit), but no one in their right mind wound do so and there really isn't a point in sending the Slann to the back.

The point I was making was its funny issuing challenges that cant be denied and the slann is forced to accept it.

ShivanAngel wrote:The point I was making was its funny issuing challenges that cant be denied and the slann is forced to accept it.

The opponent is forced but not the specific character, so the TG champ will step up unless dead.

in which case the Lizardplayer would just refuse and the Slann goes to the back.

thats actually good for the lizardmen because it means more saurus will be supporting with attacks.