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Okay, I am officially hacked off. I was listening to Arcade Fires "Wake Up" and I realized that I was mad. I then realized that I was mad becuase I wasn't actually playing music, and have NEVER owned a instrument, and as such, have never played a song, even a cruddy one. Now I'm mad again. This stinks. I REALLY need an instrument

Sooo...What would a good guitar set up (Electric Bass, or just Electric) cost, including Amps? I really am not looking for anything top-notch, just something I can use as an emotional funnel. Shoot, I would be happy with a red cheapo plastic guitar, like Jack Whites first one. Any recommendations?

Bravey

Ah.. I find myself in this mindset quite often too, though the instruments I'm interested are impossible to learn here :(

(bagpipes, Banjo, harp)

Real men play Marumbas, and play 'em loud.

I get musically PO'd every time someone bashes the Saint Anger album just because they think that doing so makes them "cool".

edit: technically, you can insert any album there.

Melissia wrote:I get musically PO'd every time someone bashes the Saint Anger album just because they think that doing so makes them "cool".

edit: technically, you can insert any album there.

Yeah, and the metallica does that well enough anyway

The actual band itself has done some rather facepalm-inducing things like, their constant endorsement of the RIAA's hyper-aggressive tactics towards consumers.

I would suggest you head to Target or Wal-Mart to look for a First Act or Starcaster guitar. Not much cost, the amps available are cheap and they come with simple music books.

Btw, Jack White's guitar is a fairly rare 60's era Eastwood Guitar.

Melissia wrote:The actual band itself has done some rather facepalm-inducing things like, their constant endorsement of the RIAA's hyper-aggressive tactics towards consumers.

I just don't like the music... does that count?

Eh, like it or don't like it, none of my business. I don't like rap, and I occasionally joke about it, but I don't bash rappers . There's some pretty damn inspirational rap songs out there, ones which bring out a good deal of emotions (which is what I like out of music... Rhapsody of Fire is great at bringing out emotions for example).

I don't like or dislike any genre by definition, Metallica just never interested me apart from maybe 2 or 3 songs.

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Sooo...What would a good guitar set up (Electric Bass, or just Electric) cost, including Amps? I really am not looking for anything top-notch, just something I can use as an emotional funnel. Shoot, I would be happy with a red cheapo plastic guitar, like Jack Whites first one. Any recommendations?

Bravey

There was a thread a month or two back about this, just do a search in the OT forums.

Edit: Here it is

Go to a local music shop and ask the dude what his best low end stuff is. You'll pay a little more but it will be a billion times better.

A Baltimore was a pretty good deal when I got it. When I asked what to look for I was told to stay as far away from First Act as humanly possible.

Bass idk, I inherited my sisters professional bass when she quit in favor of cooking. Ended up a double win for me.

Melissia wrote:I get musically PO'd every time someone bashes the Saint Anger album just because they think that doing so makes them "cool".

edit: technically, you can insert any album there.

QFT. i liked St. Anger myself!

i got a Bass, carry bag, tiny amp(15W?) and music stand for $199 before taxes. this was about 10 years ago.
i'd suggest checking Mom and Pop music stores in your area. just look for starter kits that have everything together.
Then go forth and rock.

Melissia wrote:I get musically PO'd every time someone bashes the Saint Anger album just because they think that doing so makes them "cool".

edit: technically, you can insert any album there.

You have now became one of my favorite Dakka Members. I understand people not liking it, but when their just bashing on it I get ticked. I personally love Saint Anger

I think Saint Anger gets a lot of flak because it was supposed to be Metallica's triumphant return to its glorious roots and well... it fell a bit short of Ride the Lightning or even The Black Album.

And I can understand that good and well. It was definitely a different direction on that album but over all i do enjoy it quite alot. (Except for my missing Guitar Solo's )

Edit: Its the "Metallica sucks, Just look at Saint Anger Hurr..." People that get to me

I don't hate the album.

I just understand the issue that over-selling an album might sometimes cause.

Indeed, I just believe People's expectations were a tad unrealistic. I was never Expecting another Ride the Lightning out of it.

Well, this is why I'm glad that I play an instrument. If guitar and learning takes too much time, try guitar hero?

A little joke in the music world is that 90% of rock music is based off of 3 chords in various keys. The chords are a basic blues progression. Once you understand how to use a guitar adequately, learn the blues progression, and you're (mostly) golden. Then, onto soloing (shredding) you must wander. Note that I don't play the guitar, this advice might be completely wrong.

DA's Forever wrote:Indeed, I just believe People's expectations were a tad unrealistic. I was never Expecting another Ride the Lightning out of it.

I wasn't either.

Then again, I don't think I ever really hated a Metallica album so I didn't get all excited that they were going back to the beginning.

micahaphone wrote:Well, this is why I'm glad that I play an instrument. If guitar and learning takes too much time, try guitar hero?

A little joke in the music world is that 90% of rock music is based off of 3 chords in various keys. The chords are a basic blues progression. Once you understand how to use a guitar adequately, learn the blues progression, and you're (mostly) golden. Then, onto soloing (shredding) you must wander. Note that I don't play the guitar, this advice might be completely wrong.

I couldn't beat my way out of a paper bag with a drumstick, but my Son plays Guitar in a local Tulsa punk band called Soap Charge. he started on bass.

and my youngest daughter took 3 + years of piano. now she's into her first year of drums. ah, the peace and quiet.

Monster Rain wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:Indeed, I just believe People's expectations were a tad unrealistic. I was never Expecting another Ride the Lightning out of it.

I wasn't either.

Then again, I don't think I ever really hated a Metallica album so I didn't get all excited that they were going back to the beginning.

Yupp me too, I've always like the "Shunned" albums (load, reload, Saint Anger)

Soladrin wrote:Ah.. I find myself in this mindset quite often too, though the instruments I'm interested are impossible to learn here :(

(bagpipes, Banjo, harp)

Just curious, but why is it impossible to learn to play the bagpipes, banjo, or harp there?

I've always wanted to play an instrument (specifically saxaphone) but never had the time or budget (when I have the money to buy a decent starter sax, I notice a new Codex and army that looks attractive, or maybe a new game like Warmahordes or...

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Okay, I am officially hacked off. I was listening to Arcade Fires "Wake Up" and I realized that I was mad. I then realized that I was mad becuase I wasn't actually playing music, and have NEVER owned a instrument, and as such, have never played a song, even a cruddy one. Now I'm mad again. This stinks. I REALLY need an instrument

Odd song. Something about it reminded me of Bowie's Soul Love, though I can't for the live of me figure out why. At any rate, they seem like they fall in with the "Tragically Hip" crowd, but who am I to judge? At any rate, learning to play an instrument is not an easy task. I've played the tumpet, trombone, and a bit of the guitar. It requires constant practice, and it's slow going. I played the trumpet for years in school, and then played trombone for a few years even beyond school, practicing near daily, and even then, I could only manage 1st chair on a few of the easier songs. It's hard, and takes genuine talent. Also, you'll need to learn about music theory and will want to learn to read sheet music. Tablature will only get you so far, and don't let anyone tell you different.

Sooo...What would a good guitar set up (Electric Bass, or just Electric) cost, including Amps? I really am not looking for anything top-notch, just something I can use as an emotional funnel. Shoot, I would be happy with a red cheapo plastic guitar, like Jack Whites first one. Any recommendations?

Are you looking for a GOOD guitar or a CHEAP one? I believe Fender instruments are held with some regard, though I've heard disdain for their Squire line. Not sure if general opinion on them have changed in the last 5-10 years though. Do some research on them. Check what they're going for on ebay, and use that as a baseline. Maybe go pawn shopping, but don't buy anything immediately from there without fact checking first. I'd buy used instead of new.

If you're looking for a cheap one, then get a $80 balsa wood guitar with the starter amp from Best Buy. At least then if you don't like it, you're not out a ton of money.

Honestly newer, cheaper instruments will suck for the most part. Be willing to pay an extra $50 or so per piece and the instrument will be tons better. I love that no one has even used the words "tone" yet in a thread about which guitar to get >.< I still strongly advise going with my previous advice and letting someone with an unbiased ear pick it for you. This is kind of like asking how to paint without having a real person there.

Melissia wrote:I get musically PO'd every time someone bashes the Saint Anger album just because they think that doing so makes them "cool".

edit: technically, you can insert any album there.

Saint Anger was such an underwhelming and mediocre effort that it caused most of their listenership that I personally knew, a large amount of the third shift Jack in the Box crowd, to swear off Metallica forever. They promptly sold their bitchin' Cameros, cut their hair, and started wearing non-denim shirts with collars. As far as the "Lifetime Betrayed Anticipation Award" goes, St. Anger was second really only to the overwhelming tie for first place: Chinese Democracy and Black Ice. GnR took 9 years and AC/DC took about 8 to absolutely perfect beyond all criticism their greatest albums... which are indistinguishable from the rest. And I was almost excited about the AC/DC one. It reminded me of Zoolander. Ben Stiller's character had different poses, but they were all the same.


Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Melissia wrote:I get musically PO'd every time someone bashes the Saint Anger album just because they think that doing so makes them "cool".

Bashing St. Anger doesn't make you cool, it makes you right. But the same could be said of any Metallica album since Cliff died. I get musically PO'd every time some self-proclaimed metalhead whines about how And Justice For All was robbed of a grammy, as if being by Metallica entitled it. Seriously, have any of them actually listened to it? I think it's probably the worst mastered album I've ever heard. They mixed down (out) the bass parts to prank their new member - what band does that? Tank your own album to prank the new guy?

As for instruments, the biggest difference between a good instrument and a poor one these days is the quality of the electronics. Sure, at the real upper-end of things, body shape and what wood is used make a difference (the body shape of a guitar impacts what frequencies resonate longer and which do not), but at the mid-to-low range of instruments, the difference is in the electronics; the difference between an American-made strat and a Chinese-made Squire is primarily about the pickups. The reason for this is that the factories that do the woodworking parts are automated with a high degree of precision these days. The days when a cheap guitar meant an unplayably high action or fret buzz are pretty much gone.

Therefore, if you're electronically inclined, I'd recommend picking up cheaper instruments to learn on, and if you want to take it further, make an investment in better pickups. A good pair of pickups will run you an extra $100-200, but remember, that's just the money you're not paying upfront for an instrument that you may not end up progressing far with.

Monster Rain wrote:I think Saint Anger gets a lot of flak because it was supposed to be Metallica's triumphant return to its glorious roots and well... it fell a bit short of Ride the Lightning or even The Black Album.

"THIS. . . NOT. . MASTER. . PUPPETS . . NNGHHH. . . HATE. . HATE. ."