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Just two pictures that were quickly edited in paint (really crappily but it conveys my point well) to show what the storm raven looks like without the massive tri-tail wing, and then without the tail wing all together. These pictures also dont have the turret or air vent in either of them.

The turret I would personally still keep, but I think otherwise this is what Im doing with my storm raven.

If you really hate the turret, but some land speeder tornado assault cannons, or some vendetta lascannons or something, attach them to the wings, and plasticard over the turret hatch.

Dude, the Stormraven isn't THAT bad.
I find all the whining unwarranted. it's no more ugly than rhinos or landraiders. You might as well start QQing about the aesthetic of ALL ASTARTES
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that. Scratchbuild it from a valkyrie or whatever spins your sponsons!

I personally like the model as is. Taking stuff off kinda makes it look worse and worse the further you go with it.

I appreciate the pictures. Thanks for giving suggestions on how I might mod the Stormraven.

I never did notice that the extra bits could change it's look so much. Now I have.

I'd say it can keep the tail - it fits with the aesthetic of the Thunderhawk. Looks tons better without the air intake and turret.

There's still too little 'hull'. The rear door needs to mvoe backwards about an 1", 1" and half - then it would look better.

Hmm, it doesn't look bad without the triwing or without the tail, I was planning on leaving the triwing, but I may reconsider. Oddly enough, I think I like the no-tail more than the no tri-wing, it reminds me of the arvus lighter

My problem with it is that not just the tail, but the whole shape just triggers a 'no no no no, that's wrong!' response from me in terms of aerodynamic design. It's a flying brick with all the thrust and lift surfaces jammed onto a very flimsy looking back. If there was some way to shift the wings forward, I think that I'd be bothered less.

Meh, despite having studied aero engineering for 2.5 years, I am completely unbothered by it (aerodynamically speaking). No, it would most likely never fly unless there was some unobtanium or black magic involved, but whatevs. Same goes for the valk...

Then again, I did hate my major so much that I switched to another branch of engineering, even though it meant an extra semester of studies, but thats my .02

Mukkin'About wrote:Dude, the Stormraven isn't THAT bad.
I find all the whining unwarranted. it's no more ugly than rhinos or landraiders. You might as well start QQing about the aesthetic of ALL ASTARTES
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that. Scratchbuild it from a valkyrie or whatever spins your sponsons!

I saw one in person today. It really is that bad. Too small, too front heavy, and just silly looking.

Isn't the unspoken rule of Astartes vehicles that
"thou shalt not be big enough to actually fit the models it says you can"
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the Stormraven?

Mukkin'About wrote:Isn't the unspoken rule of Astartes vehicles that
"thou shalt not be big enough to actually fit the models it says you can"
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the Stormraven?

You're at least in the minority. GW had all our hopes up for this new cool looking model, and then dashed our hopes with that THING. Most of the conversion work I've seen look better to me.

I had higher hopes on the dread kits. Which turned out to be great.
Chopped-down thunderhawk didn't strike me as something to look forward to aesthetically. Thunderhawks are already big ol' boxes.
It seems to me that most people's gripe is the Engines / Aerodynamics / Ability to fly. Or just that it looks like a box (which i don't understand. it's a scaled down thunderhawk and those look like boxes too)
There's two sets of thrusters on the wings and under the front. I'm not sure what else people were expecting!

Mukkin'About wrote:Dude, the Stormraven isn't THAT bad.
I find all the whining unwarranted. it's no more ugly than rhinos or landraiders. You might as well start QQing about the aesthetic of ALL ASTARTES
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that. Scratchbuild it from a valkyrie or whatever spins your sponsons!

First of all, sonny, I am not QQing about anything. Never did I complain. The point of this was to open peoples eyes, people who DO hate the storm raven, to the fact that it doesnt HAVE to look terrible.

There is nothing ugly about a land raider, and their design makes overall sense. I do like it, and I will not scratchbuild because I could be accused of modelling for advantage.

Dont be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Would it be possible to model it on its flying stand to either be leaning forward or backward? Kind of like a helicopter when the pilot needs more speed, the nose tips down, or when the pilot needs to stop quickly, the nose comes up? The thrusters on the front suggest that it would do something like this. How difficult would that be?

Well there you go then. I was more or less being general about people who hate the stormraven.. but the way it's read does seem aimed. If I had said PEOPLE, then whatever, but i did not have the foresight. Don't take it as a personal attack, it was meant as a generalization to the stormraven haters & general crowd of people who dislike almost everything GW puts out.

I don't see the big deal with scratchbuilding it. you have the model, so you know how big to make it. you know what base it's on. If you make it bigger, well you're at a DISadvantage because you've got more ship to draw LOS to. If you made it smaller, shorter, THEN you have a problem


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Happygrunt wrote:Would it be possible to model it on its flying stand to either be leaning forward or backward? Kind of like a helicopter when the pilot needs more speed, the nose tips down, or when the pilot needs to stop quickly, the nose comes up? The thrusters on the front suggest that it would do something like this. How difficult would that be?

That would be as simple as cutting the flying stand at an angle & gluing it in place basically!

It just continues to look imbalanced, that's all.

I'm not sure if it has been done... but has anyone tried attaching a dread to the back?
Does that help the profile at all? I imagine it would "balance" the weight but idk once it drops the dread you're back to square one.

ummm... too late? I think the design process has already finished...

I think it need to sort of look like something slots into it, it needs a bit at the back, sort of like a chinook, I think.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:ummm... too late? I think the design process has already finished...

How you do not realize that I mean once you receive your storm raven to build it this way is beyond me.

Mukkin'About wrote:I'm not sure if it has been done... but has anyone tried attaching a dread to the back?
Does that help the profile at all? I imagine it would "balance" the weight but idk once it drops the dread you're back to square one.

The attachment point is nothing but a little magnetic winch, with no kind of clamps or docking bay to secure the Dreadnought. If anything, I'd say it's going to look even worse.

For me, losing the turret and the vent on top of it is the recipe for success.

To me, the basic problem is that the wings are too far back.

There's no way the vehicle would fly with its wings there, however they generate lift. Most of the weight of the vehicle is clearly in front of the wings.

That's why everyone who dislikes it wants to remove the gubbins on top, or make the fuselage longer at the back. Instinctively they know that the vehicle as depicted is too front heavy, and they can't suspend their disbelief enough to accept it. These changes make it look less front heavy.

It ought to look something like this, with the lift generating mechanism above the main load point.



Obviously to make this helicopter into a Thunderhawk, you would need to extend the cabin backwards to accommodate troops, put the Dread under the crane, and have a rear fuselage containing fuel and weapons.

You put the turret on top where the rotor is, and make the landing wheel wings into armoured wings with weapons and lift equipment (thrusters/anti-grav) on them.

There would be a four point landing gear with a wheel under the nose, under each wingtip, and under the rear fuselage.

Something like that.



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An interesting model from Japan, which is like the kind of thing I envisionn for a Stormcrow.


http://www.hlj.com/product/KBYMB-25

Jaon wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:ummm... too late? I think the design process has already finished...

How you do not realize that I mean once you receive your storm raven to build it this way is beyond me.

Because I tire of the Stormraven threads. First, everyone was #$%^#@-ing because GW made rules for a non-existant model, forcing them to make one themselves. Now everyone is #$%#@-ing because the suppied model is not what they wanted, so everyone is making one in protest.

Really?

Mukkin'About wrote:Dude, the Stormraven isn't THAT bad.
I find all the whining unwarranted. it's no more ugly than rhinos or landraiders. You might as well start QQing about the aesthetic of ALL ASTARTES
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that. Scratchbuild it from a valkyrie or whatever spins your sponsons!

Yeah, but, your one opinion doesn't override anyone's opinion.

It is more ugly than the Rhino/Landraider, simply because the concept is rather stupid.

A flying land raider...wow, nice one GW.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Because I tire of the Stormraven threads. First, everyone was #$%^#@-ing because GW made rules for a non-existent model, forcing them to make one themselves. Now everyone is #$%#@-ing because the supplied model is not what they wanted, so everyone is making one in protest.

Really?

Pretty much this. What did you all expect it to be?
I'm not saying my opinion "means more than yours" i don't know where you got that idea but it's a load of gak.
I'm just saying people should be happy with what they got, and that they got it so soon.. unlike TONS of other models that have been waiting WAY LONGER to be made but haven't

With no tail it looks like a star wars clone gunship

Mukkin'About wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Because I tire of the Stormraven threads. First, everyone was #$%^#@-ing because GW made rules for a non-existent model, forcing them to make one themselves. Now everyone is #$%#@-ing because the supplied model is not what they wanted, so everyone is making one in protest.

Really?

Pretty much this. What did you all expect it to be?
I'm not saying my opinion "means more than yours" i don't know where you got that idea but it's a load of gak.
I'm just saying people should be happy with what they got, and that they got it so soon.. unlike TONS of other models that have been waiting WAY LONGER to be made but haven't

How can you be happy with something that you were so excited to see, to find out it's an atrocity to mankind? It's like you when you were a young child desperately after "that toy" for christmas, and when you get it you reliase how rubbish it is and you hate it forever. THe Stormraven is pretty much in that ballpark.

The edited image looks a lot better. I have maintained since the leaked pics that the turret and intake are wrong and after seeing the sprues its nice to know you don't have to put them on. There probably should be a tail just not the one on the kit. SOmething like the Valkerie tail would probably suit it better.

However all opinions are unstable since I reserve fully committed 100% judgement of the toaster with wings for when I see the thing in person.

Mukkin'About wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Because I tire of the Stormraven threads. First, everyone was #$%^#@-ing because GW made rules for a non-existent model, forcing them to make one themselves. Now everyone is #$%#@-ing because the supplied model is not what they wanted, so everyone is making one in protest.

Really?

Pretty much this. What did you all expect it to be?
I'm not saying my opinion "means more than yours" i don't know where you got that idea but it's a load of gak.
I'm just saying people should be happy with what they got, and that they got it so soon.. unlike TONS of other models that have been waiting WAY LONGER to be made but haven't

There's a difference between "That's not how I'd make that model" and "OH GOD HOW DOES THAT EVEN FLY? MY EYES!!111ONEONE"

I like it with the short tail, it looks a little sleeker that way.