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600-750 pts is decently fair for the Emperor. Daemon Angron is 500 pts with the following profile

WS10 BS6 S7 T6 W5 I6 A6 LD10 Sv 3+/4++

The Emperor is definitely on par and much more powerful than Daemon Angron. If Magnus could destroy Ork and Eldar titans like its cool, the Emperor could do way better. Fulgrim gets into a slugfest with a Wraithlord and wins. We're talking about a being that is thousands and thousands of years old. Magnus, the most powerful psyker after him, was shaking and his boots and knelt under the Emperor's gaze. He made 100,000 Space Marines and their Primarch kneel with his voice. Normal humans go mad just looking at him. Kharn describes him as defeating a xenos army that even Perturabo, a Primarch, could not defeat, and is desribed as doing it relatively easily. He defeats the most powerful villian Chaos could throw at him(though Horus did mess him up bad, but I remember reading the Emperor was holding back because he wanted to save his son). To put him(or a Primarch for that matter) with the stats of a chapter master is absurd.

Hahahaha, no, no chance, not ever.

Is there even one occurrence of him doing such in the background? 23 real years of background and he's never done such a thing.

There were legions of titans attacking his palace during the siege of Terra. Wouldn't squashing one or two of those with his mind-bullets been useful? So why didn't he? Because he couldn't.

Magnus destroys titans. Why wouldn't the Emperor be able to? And during the Battle fo Terra, he was busy in the Golden Throne room battling daemons attacking through the hole Magnus made.

That was far out of scope with what his psychic powers actually were capable.

His one great psychic attack was to kill Horus, and it permanently damaged him to do it. The Emperor was many things, but cosmic blaster isn't one of them.

The man made 100,000 SPACE MARINES along with their Primarch kneel with his voice, and made the most powerful psyker after himself (who destroys Titans with his powers) cower away like a dog with his tail between his legs with his gaze. Regarding Horus, the Emperor did not cripple himself with his attack. He was holding back because he wanted to save his son, while Horus ripped his arm off and broke his back. When a space marine(or maybe a custodes) walks in and Horus blasts him apart with his mind, the Emperor sees that Horus is beyond saving and THEN launches his psychic attack, scaring off ALL FOUR CHAOS GODS, and obliterates Horus's soul from existence.

Once again, except for that Divine Fury thing, he never used any kinds of abilities like that.

And he only did that once, ever, while he was dying.

The Emperor never displayed any kind of all-consuming psychic force powers. His psychic abilities were considered only on par with the weakest Farseers.

He was certainly hard to kill. And he was a super-genius and leader of men, but his regular psychic powers did not include destructive force.

.....Are you serious? Forcing the equivalent of one hundred Space marine chapters and THEIR PRIMARCH to their knees with his voice. No Farseer, including Eldrad(BTW, if he was that powerful, why did Fulgrim survive an encounter with him?). Forcing the most powerful psyker besides himself, who BTW broke into the ELDAR WEBWAY, and destroys titans, to stay locked in his seat, helpless, unable to move and then sent him running with his tail between his legs.

The onus of proof is on you. Everything I've said has been backed up by actual background material.

.....Show me something that says any Farseer is equal to the Emperor. Have you even read any fluff? The Horus Heresy novels? If Farseers were that good then why did ELDRAD HIMSELF, THE MOST POWERFUL FARSEER not obliterate Fulgrim, a Primarch. Magnus, who we see DESTROYING ELDAR AND ORK TITANS, is helpless against the Emperor's power. One hundred thousand Space Marines of the Word Bearers are helpless against his voice. If farseers were more powerful than that, then why did the Space Marines conquer the galaxy? Why are there any Space Marines alive today? If Farseers could make 100 Chapters of Space Marines helpless, surely a craftworld could lay waste to dozens of chapters with ease. As to his physical prowess, he defeated a few of the Primarchs who wouldn't bow right away, such as Leman Russ and Ferrus Manus.

Explain to me how the Space Marines didn't conquer the galaxy? The Great Crusade brought 2 million worlds into the Imperium. That was done by the Space Marines.

Eldrad wanted to warn Fulgrim about chaos. It was not until Eldrad actually saw Fulgrim face to face that he saw he was corrupt.

That...doesn't make sense. The Emperor would not have conquered the galaxy so fast without the Space Marines, if he could have at all without them. Before Old Night, humanity enjoyed great technology, better than what's around later, but they were also not unified. The Great Crusade brought these worlds together, whether they wanted to or not, and conquered countless more from xenos. The Imperial Army could not have done this. That's why the Emperor created the Space Marines, to conquer everything.

Except that the galaxy wasn't conquered by a unified force. It took thousands of years with different factions conquering. The Space Marines did it and a whole lot more in just 200 years.

As to why they haven't done it since the HH, the Legions were split up. Instead of having 20 Space Marine Legions under 20 Primarchs you now have 2 of those legions destroyed, half of the remaining legions are traitor, and now you have 1,000 chapters under the leadership of 1,000 chapter masters each with their own agenda. There is no more unity. The Emperor and the Primarchs are gone.

Magnus destroyed a titan, not the Emperor.

Yea...and the Emperor's [i]gaze[i] made Magnus, a titan killer, locked to his seat unable to do anything.

The Emperor was only a necessary part of the Golden Throne after Magnus broke it (incidently, but punching right through the Emperor's psychic defenses. Magnus also had prescient knowledge of Horus' betrayal and the Emperor was blind to it (along with Eldrad and his crew). There's a case that the Emperor wasn't even as good a psyker as Magnus in those two things).

Magnus had knowledge because the Daemon told him, IIRC. To show Magnus that the best of them had fallen. Daemons hate the Emperor, why would they tell him? As to Magnus punching through the Emperor's defense, it took all his own power, all his Legion's psykers, AND thousands of sacrifices to try to get to the Emperor.

The Emperor was able to make people he genetically tailored for, and ritualistically indoctrinated, for unswerving loyalty to himself kneel in a non-confrontational situation. In direct combat, he was nearly strangled to death by an ork. He couldn't even make one ork kneel, let alone blow that ork's army into smithereens.

Just those he genetically tailored? How about normal human beings going insane by just looking at him. Or going blind. Or the xenos mentioned by Kharn in the World Eaters short story being completely annihilated by the Emperor's power when Perturabo could not beat them. As to the Ork, the the Ork was described as a very large and powerful Warboss, and also Horus says that they saved each other numerous times in the early Crusade. And myself or ChrisWWII said anything about the Emperor destroying armies. Our argument stems from you saying he is no more powerful than an Eldar Farseer, which is, quite frankly, ignorant.

There is simply one single event in which the Emperor was able to use his psychic powers offensively at the level you're describing, and that last act cost him his life.

.....After he took it easy on Horus to try and save him. After Horus obliterated the Marine that stepped into the chamber, the Emperor used his power....to chase off ALL OF THE CHAOS GODS AND OBLITERATE HORUS'S SOUL FROM EXISTENCE.

His not being killed by the Emperor from across the galaxy after he became a traitor is exactly the evidence to which I refer.

The Emperor didn't want to kill him from across the galaxy. He wanted Russ to bring him back in chains. Horus manipulated Russ into burning Prospero.

He also didn't want to destroy Horus because he thought he could save him. That's why the Emperor told the Assassin temples to stop trying to assassinate Horus.

If you can find even one case of the Emperor using his psychic powers on an army-wide destructive level, feel free to PM me. Otherwise I'm checking out of the thread as it's devolved to the point of propaganda.

Myself or ChrisWWII have made a claim of him destroying armies. Only that he is vastly more powerful than Magnus or Eldrad. Eldrad didn't know Fulgrim was corrupt until he saw him face to face and saw Fulgrim's daemon sword.

Go ahead and leave the thread. That's typical of people on the internet who have nothing to back up their claims. Next time you want to debate something, bring some evidence. Or a decent argument.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Humbaba wrote:umm I may be wrong but wasnt the emperor more powerful physically than the primarchs?

He was not.

And again you provide no proof to back up your statements.