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If a tank (in my case a leman russ) does not move other than pivoting in the movement phase, can it still fire ALL weapons?

Yes - although I cant recall whereabouts it states this in the vehicle rules.

It still gets auto-hit for assaults, and troops embarked (if it were a transport vehicle) count as moving and cannot (normally) then assault if they disembark.

Yes (unless it's Shaken or something). p.58, first bullet point.

In the case of a Leman Russ, yes, since it can fire its main gun (even if it's ordnance) for free. Other tanks with ordnance weapons, no, unless they have a rule that says they can (I don't know of any that do, but I don't know every unit; I suppose superheavies in Apoc can, but I'm not familiar with Apoc).

Awesome, thanks everyone. So ordnance weapons cannot be fired if a vehicle pivots, unless it has a special rule (like lumbering behemoth)?

Sir P - I think you've confused things slightly!

If you ONLY pivot in the movement phase, *in general* you can shoot ALL your weapons.

THe exception is when you are shooting Ordnance, when even though you could normally fire everything ORdnance restricts you to ONLY firing the Ordnance weapon and no others (or all others but not the Ordnance weapon)

THe *further* exception to that rule is that you CAN fire ordnance, AND all other weapons, IF you have a special rule stating you can, for example Lumbering Behemoth (or the SUper Heavy rules)

pivoting does not count as movement for the purposes of the vehicle firing. thus you can fire anything you would normally be allowed to fire as a stationary vehicle.

pivoting does make the disembarking passengers count as moving.

i'm not sure that passengers that dont disembark firing from a fire point count as moving or not.

lixulana wrote:i'm not sure that passengers that dont disembark firing from a fire point count as moving or not.

Passengers count as moving if the vehicle does - so if it only pivots they don't.

Pivoting is movement. You can't do it if you're immobilized, for example, and if you pivot and then disembark a unit that unit is considered to have disembarked from a moving vehicle and it not permitted to move further.

Pivoting just doesn't count as movement for purposes of the vehicle's shooting. It would still make any embarked unit count as having moved.

Embarking/Disembarking specifically mention pivoting, passengers shooting does not. And the pivoting is not only for shooting - it's stationary all around.

Mannahnin wrote:Pivoting just doesn't count as movement for purposes of the vehicle's shooting.

Actually, the rules say:

Pivoting on the spot alone does not count as moving, so a vehicle that only pivots in the Movement phase counts as stationary (however, immobilised vehicles may not even pivot).

Later, in Vehicles Shooting:

Vehicles that remained stationary may fire all of their weapons (remember that pivoting on the spot does not count as moving).

And then, in Transport Vehicles:

Models firing from a vehicle count as moving if the vehicle moves, and may not fire at all if the vehicle moved at Cruising speed that turn.

Then, specifically for embarking (and a similar passage in disembarking):

[i]If the vehicle moved before its passengers got aboard, it may not move any further (including pivoting on the spot).

The point is, in every instance imaginable (at least by me) the rules specifically address how pivoting works (sometimes just using a friendly reminder of the first statement). For general purposes (not just vehicle's shooting) it does not count as moving, but then it goes on to specify a number of things that do make it seem to count as moving.

However, the rules state that it doesn't count as moving if it only pivots, and the Transport rules say that the passengers only count as moving if the vehicle moves (which it didn't if it pivots, according to the rules).