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Can a BA or BA successor Marine still succumb to the Black Rage if he is "entombed" within a Dreadnought before succumbing?

- I can't remember if the DC dread entry mentions this and don't have the dex handy (am at work).

- I know Furiosos have Red Thirst.

- Can someone confirm that DC do not have Red Thirst?

"Even a Blood Angel wrapped in the adamantium embrace of a dreadnaughts sarcophagus is not immune to the black rage." So yes. Their special rule is called 'rage' though unlike death company troops which have 'black rage.'

And no DC don't have red thirst.

Ah, I wondered if DC Dreads were already DC before being Dread. Looks like some Dreads get painted black . . .

DC Dreads are Marines entombed in Dreadnoughts, who then succumb to the Black Rage.

Blood Angels would never put an already Black Raging marine into a Dread.

Seems cruel. Doesn't seem like there's much difference between a dreadnaught with black rage and a Chaos Dreadnaught.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Seems cruel. Doesn't seem like there's much difference between a dreadnaught with black rage and a Chaos Dreadnaught.

Except that they don't shoot their own troops. But they are both very much mad though.

Manchu wrote:Ah, I wondered if DC Dreads were already DC before being Dread. Looks like some Dreads get painted black . . .

Indeed. Funnily enough they cover this exact point in WD this month.

And it is indeed a case that sometimes a Dreadnought succumbs to the Black Rage, a Chaplain declares them lost, and then the tech adepts and servitors repaint and arm it appropriately.

reds8n wrote:Indeed. Funnily enough they cover this exact point in WD this month.

Oof, shows how much attention I pay to my WDs.

But one thing strikes me as odd about this. If DC Dreads are all not afflicted before being put into Dreadnoughts (endreaded? becoming noughty?) then surely there would be quite a stockpile of them, given that the Black Rage is the inevitably destiny of any BA unlucky enough to not die in battle. One wonders that there are any available Dreadnought for unafflicted Marines. I guess survival rates for afflicted Marines go way, way down even if they are Dreadnoughts.

I see a dreadnought and I want to paint it black.....

*hums tunelessly*

Better Dread than Dead

*Ashamed*

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Better Dread than Dead

*Ashamed*

*Amused!*

well quite often when a sarcophagus fails and the crippled marine inside perishes the actual dreadnought itself may be still functional and repairable and the chapter will go to enormous lengths to recover a downed dreadnought.

and seeing as death company dreads tend to get themselves into the thickest fighting they can it is understandable that they dont tend to last all that long, then hopefully with a prayer to the omnisiah and a smidge of luck the sarcophagus can be recovered and repaired and given to another dying marine

yes, most of the time when a dreadnought is destroyed, the Pilot is killed, but the actual vehicle can be salvaged.


one thing i would like to know is why don't any BA HQs have Red Thirst?

TYcho has the Black Rage though...

DC Tycho has Black Rage, but that's it.

no Red Thirsting your captains/libbys or Reclusiarchs.



it seems an oversight because the Fluff has their HQs getting it.

Mephiston has beaten it...

.. or has he.. !

Blood Angels do indeed, apparently, have quite a stockpile of Dread bodies, hence why they're allowed o field so many.

I have some very vague recollection of this perhaps being related to the "coffins" they rest in/are altered in... but I have no idea where/when I heard this and suspect it might well have just been an idle muse once upon a time.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Seems cruel. Doesn't seem like there's much difference between a dreadnaught with black rage and a Chaos Dreadnaught.

There is a difference, being that Chaos Space Marines are most often entombed in a dreadnought against their will, and go mad due to that. The Death Company dreadnoughts believe they're Sanguinius (Although how they do that when they have a metal body, I don't know ), and thus don't really have the same suffering that comes from being a Chaos Dreadnought.

Mephiston has beaten it...

.. or has he.. !

Mephiston has 'beaten' the Black Rage, not the Red Thirst . There's proof he can fall prey to the thirst (I feel like I'm talking about one of the kindred from World of Darkness here) in the later stages of Deus Sanguinius.

Edit: In response to the original question, the answer is fairly easy to work out. The Blood Angels form the Death Company to give them an honorable death in battle rather than locking them in the Tower of the Lost and making them suffer unnecessarily. It doesn't really make sense for them to do that, then entomb some of them in a Dreadnought does it?

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:It doesn't really make sense for them to do that, then entomb some of them in a Dreadnought does it?

Sure it does. If the dreads-turned-DC dreads die off quickly enough for non-afflicted, nearly-dead marines to be "entombed," then sticking a fatally-injured-but-not-quite-dead DC Marine into a Dreadnought isn't really prolonging his suffering anymore than keeping him alive as a DC Marine.

Manchu wrote:

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:It doesn't really make sense for them to do that, then entomb some of them in a Dreadnought does it?

Sure it does. If the dreads-turned-DC dreads die off quickly enough for non-afflicted, nearly-dead marines to be "entombed," then sticking a fatally-injured-but-not-quite-dead DC Marine into a Dreadnought isn't really prolonging his suffering anymore than keeping him alive as a DC Marine.

the point is that you need time to prepare the sarcophagus and their are rituals to follow, not to mention the fact thast once you get him in there you have several tonnes of walking-unstoppable-deathmachine on your hands to try and restrain, sure they can be sent to sleep but i imagine they are something of a liabillity.

We were discussing this the other day. I understand that the Death Company paints their own armor.
But who is the poor soul who has to paint an extremely angry dread.

I have never heard that the DC paint their own armor.


Dreds can be painted while asleep.

We were under the assumption that the Marines did it themselves as part of the Tradition.

No, once a marine has fallen to the Black Rage, he loses all sanity and is incapable of rational thought.

they have no more self awarness, they belive themselves to be Sanguinious and they see the Battle for Terra raging around them.

Ahh. Our mistake and thank you for the correction.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:

Manchu wrote:

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:It doesn't really make sense for them to do that, then entomb some of them in a Dreadnought does it?

Sure it does. If the dreads-turned-DC dreads die off quickly enough for non-afflicted, nearly-dead marines to be "entombed," then sticking a fatally-injured-but-not-quite-dead DC Marine into a Dreadnought isn't really prolonging his suffering anymore than keeping him alive as a DC Marine.

the point is that you need time to prepare the sarcophagus and their are rituals to follow, not to mention the fact thast once you get him in there you have several tonnes of walking-unstoppable-deathmachine on your hands to try and restrain, sure they can be sent to sleep but i imagine they are something of a liabillity.

And the fact after the fight your just going to have him put down out of mercy anyways. Remember after the battle BA with the Black Rage are killed by the Redeemer of the Lost.

The exception is Dreds. they are kept in stasis untill needed.

Grey Templar wrote:The exception is Dreds. they are kept in stasis untill needed.

Well the Sanguinary Priests make that call after the battle. But fluff wise I belive (my view here) the priest is more often then not, is going to honor him with death like the rest, unless its the eve of battle on another front. So gose to why not to waste the time and energy putting a Black Rage BA into a Dread.