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So here is the story, i was sitting in science today with all of my work done and dusted so i just go for a "wonder" about the room whilst sir was you. Whilst looking at the amphibian posters i saw that one of the newts was called Triturus carnifex. Carnifex. This has to be where GW stole the name from. The evidence is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triturus_carnifex

If you did not find this interesting then i just wanted to tell you all.

a small waagh wrote:So here is the story, i was sitting in science today with all of my work done and dusted so i just go for a "wonder" about the room whilst sir was you. Whilst looking at the amphibian posters i saw that one of the newts was called Triturus carnifex. Carnifex. This has to be where GW stole the name from. The evidence is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triturus_carnifex

If you did not find this interesting then i just wanted to tell you all.

Or it could be that carnifex is a latin word meaning executioner or butcher.

Carnifex means butcher in latin. Lictor means hired thug (officially a senators bodyguard) in latin. Most of the names for the tyranid range are either greek or roman in origin.

That is just the specific name of that newt.
Carnifex has been discussed elsewhere on a thread about the derivation of names Small Waagh.
It means "executioner" apparently from Rome iirc.

Well spotted though.
but not as well spotted as a newt

how exactly is that stealing?

and in latin carnifex means executioner

edit: ninjad by 3 users

Btw it is butcher not executioner. Executioner was deemed to unseemly to be a profexxional vocation but Plebians with expert knowledge on how to best carve up and kill animals had multiple jobs in ancient rome hint hint.

Isn’t the spring loaded device in an Apothecary's Narthecium also called a Carnifex, which would make sense as it’s used for a humane kill.

But to the OP, GW has a long history of 'liberating' other people ideas, whether they be historical, religious or fictional.

Wow i did not know its latin translation sorry for that, thanks!

The title for this thread is still accurate.

Angron is angry.

Manos Ferros leads the Iron Hands.

Whats a Zoanthrope in Rome then?

Zoanthropy Is a type of delusion where a patient believes they are turning into another type of creature.

Not sure how relevent that is but i work in Mental health and have had it crop up a few times.

Phototoxin wrote:Whats a Zoanthrope in Rome then?

there is no language called "Rome"

StarShade wrote:Isn’t the spring loaded device in an Apothecary's Narthecium also called a Carnifex

Yea, but see also:
Gaunt's Ghosts fighting Tyranid 'gaunts.
A marine in Tactical Dreadnought Armor is not a Dreadnought.
Ravenor never fighting a ravener.
And the fan favorite that barely counts-Melta-bombs are not 'melta' bombs.
I had a longer list somewhere. . .

Re-using the same name in the same setting for multiple different things is more annoying to me than grabbing a(n obscure) word to use as a name.

It's not really stealing...
The taxonomic classification system uses to Latin words to identify the Genus and Species of an organism. This ensures that no matter what language you speak you know what creature someone else is talking about.
The adeptus biologis of the AdMech are responsible for naming stuff and they obviously use the same system... if anything it's a pretty smart idea and pretty well thought out.

StarShade wrote:Isn’t the spring loaded device in an Apothecary's Narthecium also called a Carnifex, which would make sense as it’s used for a humane kill

That would be the reductor you're talking about, I think.

Carne Esada tacos ripped off GW. So did the Roman Empire and the USMC. You know that the Ecclesiarchy sounds suspiciously like Ecclesiastes too, the Sororitas have a training program at most large universities in the U.S., and Terra means "earth".

WHAT! GW was not original with a name!

Why I'm so mad I feel like a Blood Axe shooting Bloodstrike Missiles from a Strom Raven full of Storm Giants and Raven Guard landing next to Storm Lords full of Night Lords who are shooting at Blood Ravens and Fallen Angels and Blood Angels who have Dreadnaughts with Blood Talons and Space Wolves with Blood Claws and Sky Claws and are fighting Iron Warriors and Iron Guard and Steel Legion and Ironclads who teamed up with the Death Company and the Death Korps and Death Skulls and Death Jesters to beat the Black Legion and the Black Guardians and the Black Templars as they Assault Black Reach to take it back from the Dark Angels and Dark Eldar and the Dark Gods!

That's how mad I am!

Well kid kyoto i am mad enough to run you over with my Tempeststormbloodfistravenfisteaglefistfistfist.

Why I'm angrier than Angron the Angry when he's cut off by a Bloodletter riding a Bloodcrusher behind a Bloodthirster on his way to the Cauldren of Blood!

That's how angry I am!

I See your blood and raise you a fist....

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

StarShade wrote:Isn’t the spring loaded device in an Apothecary's Narthecium also called a Carnifex, which would make sense as it’s used for a humane kill

That would be the reductor you're talking about, I think.

Nope.
"The Apothecary's medi-pack (known as a Narthecium) includes a special humane killer for this task, called a carnifex - a solid spring-loaded piston of metal."

From http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Apothecary

Though I have read it elsewhere.

kirsanth wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

StarShade wrote:Isn’t the spring loaded device in an Apothecary's Narthecium also called a Carnifex, which would make sense as it’s used for a humane kill

That would be the reductor you're talking about, I think.

Nope.
"The Apothecary's medi-pack (known as a Narthecium) includes a special humane killer for this task, called a carnifex - a solid spring-loaded piston of metal."

The ultimate Tau killing device.

Who cares, I'm catching some and throwing them on the board when I play next time. "What, they're a squad of carnifexes".

Thread is over, Kid_Kyoto wins!

a small waagh wrote:So here is the story, i was sitting in science today with all of my work done and dusted so i just go for a "wonder" about the room whilst sir was you. Whilst looking at the amphibian posters i saw that one of the newts was called Triturus carnifex. Carnifex. This has to be where GW stole the name from. The evidence is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triturus_carnifex

If you did not find this interesting then i just wanted to tell you all.

As already pointed out, that isn't the reference GW were making.

As GW use alot of latin-alike words in its fiction it makes sence to call a carnifex a carnifex. GW have used many historical names as references for their characters, i thought everyone knew that.

Sanguinius is another Primarch name taken from Latin. Sanguineus, adj. bloody, bloodthirsty. Then there are all of the characters named after people and mythological figures. Hey, names have to come from somewhere and I like the partially jocular allusive names better than random fantasy gibberish.

Yeah Ursarkar doesn't quite roll of the tongue does it?

Madder than a Necron necromancer on Necromunda!

You know, Doom of Malantai is actually a phonetic transliteration of the Latin term for "that jerk who lives two doors down and won't shut up with his lyre."

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

StarShade wrote:Isn’t the spring loaded device in an Apothecary's Narthecium also called a Carnifex, which would make sense as it’s used for a humane kill

That would be the reductor you're talking about, I think.

Nope. Carnifex is right.
It is for granting "the Emperor's peace" to fallen brethren.

Reductor is for extracting the progenoids from fallen marines.