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This is an invitation to anyone interested in a 2500 pt tourney at Slackerz in Leesville, La. This is going to be sort of a practice for 'ARD BOYZ TOURNEY being held at Slackerz this year. It will be held on 19 Feb @ 1100. $20 buy in, list must be on army builder.

1801 boone st
leesville, la 71446-5124
Phone: (337) 239-1899

Slackerz is on the store finder website however the link to the store is down. Any questions please call the number above or P.M. myself.

I live in Bossier City. I'll advertise this at The Dragon's lair

thanks bro. the more the better.

D'oh! I made a long post in the CENLA thread, and hadn't seen this one, so I'm going to copy and paste. Also, I'll see if we can come that weekend....although I don't have Army Builder, and don't like Army Builder's format so have no plans on getting it. If having a clearly legible, printed, and accurate army list isn't good enough, I have to strenuously object to this being a requirement. Even Grand Tournaments don't requirement Army Builder - just XX copies that are printed, with a caveat for consequences if it is wrong. Like being disqualified from winning. Or having your opponent take out one of your units (any unit they want) to make your points right.

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Heffling and I are going to see about coming down to Slackers next weekend (February 12th) to get in some friendly gaming - do you know if any 40k players will be around to roll some dice with?

And for your tournaments, I just wanted to throw a couple things out there?

1. Have you considered lowering the point value? There's a poll you should look up here on Dakka about the preferred tournament point level, and the two most popular point levels are 1500 and 2000. In the U.S., 1850 and 2000 are the two most common point levels, with 1500 fitting in here and there at smaller stores. Having a 2500 point limit for regular tournaments (with several of your players apparently feeling like even 2500 is light on points) is a *very* cliche group. The only time I break out to 2500 points is for 'Ard Boyz....and I have to take a different army than what I prefer playing because what I have doesn't really scale up or perform at 2500 points. That's just me personally. Since Ft. Polk and the soldiers there make up the bulk of the locality, pulling in new players and drawing folks from the base is critical to expanding the player base - something people need to be able to do without investing $1000+ to get into. With the current state of the store and the personnel transitioning through Ft. Polk and deployments, it might be a good idea to push for new players, smaller events to get them to participate and build that crowd up.

2. Prize support: I found it interesting that you guys have a much heftier buy-in for tournaments. I'm not complaining by ANY means - look at my signature. However, I've never seen a store take 20% of entry fees for hosting the tournament before. If the store was handing out the entry fees in cash minus 20%, that would be one thing.....but when you hand out store credit as prize support, when the store is charging full retail without discounts, they're making 60% profit on the tournament - and taking 20% more off the top of that in addition seems a bit heavy-handed. I think most people buy something when they go into a FLGS yeah? Couple hours there saw us pick up several sodas, couple cans of paint, and order a box of kans. I'm happy to support the stores I play in (and regularly do), and feel like most people do the same.

3. Meta-gaming: I had a chance to meet a bunch of the Slackers guys, and liked everyone. I found it interesting that several people told me the same stories....the most distinct being that tournaments struggle to succeed at the store because the same person or two wins (or used to win) them all, so people would call the store to see who had signed up, and if the folks who always won were going to be there, then the rest of everyone wouldn't show up. Maybe you guys shouldn't take sign-ups? Just show up the day of? Prevent people from trying to game whether they have a chance of winning? I think most people enter tournaments as a means of having fun and rolling dice all day, not strategically calculating whether their entry fee is a waste of money or not based on who is going to be in attendance.

4. *REALLY* need to elaborate on point 3 some more - Take this for what you will, but I pretty much win every tournament I go to, everywhere. I've just moved from somewhere where me brutalizing the locals led to significant resentment and repercussions. From the get-go, I'm concerned that if I come to a tournament and clean house, it will breed resentment based on what the folks in the store have told me about their other winners. I've seen it now with one of the players (who isn't there anymore), who went from being loud and friendly to sullen and angry as quick as his game went from winning to losing. I used to generalize my 40k in that people who lose to me have an opportunity to learn to improve their own game (which is how I feel about people who beat me....it challenges me to improve), and while a lot of 40k players are that way - I'm concerned about offending people at Slackers if I beat them, I don't want to be stressing about offending someone or hurting their pride when I game, I just want to have fun and roll dice.

5. Wanted to readdress schedule. I went to the Dragon's Lair for a tournament this past weekend and they had...12-16 people? They have a fixed tournament schedule. Two weekends before that, I went to Little Wars in Baton Rouge, and they had 20 people - they also have a fixed tournament schedule. Is it possible for Slackers to create a harmonious tournament schedule with the other stores in the area? Stores having comingling instead of competing schedules lets players from different stores meet each other and visit different stores. Want more players? Instead of having a tournament on the same weekend as Little Wars, have one the following weekend, and GO to the Little Wars tournament, introduce yourself, meet the players, and collect contact information and pass on dates and times for the Slackers tournament. When I lived in North Carolina, there were a series of 5 stores over a two hour distance both directions of where I lived (where there was no store) that I frequented for events. When I made a friend, I'd collect their cell phone number and e-mail address - so that when I was trying to help boost the tournament population for a store that was trying to pick it up, I could reach out and contact folks and see if they wanted to attend. Since Slackers doesn't really have a website or forums, you guys could really benefit by having whomever TOs events collect contact information, and pool it with the store, so that the store starts building a database of contact information for players - building an e-mail distro even so that you can shoot out information about tournaments.

6. Tournament rewards - Winner Take All is very awesome. I love it. I love it because I win most of the time. I would *love* to bet money on my 40k games - loser pays the winner $20 or something. When I play poker, I prefer winner take all as well - I want to win big or win nothing. This is great for competitive players....but to draw more players in, you have to appeal to the widest possible audience, which means giving out more prizes to more places. I feel like a lot of stores pay out too many places and reduce the value of winning, but I also see the benefit of paying out more places to attract more players. For example, the 20 players at Little Wars....they paid out 5 places. I took first and took $65. A little miffed that they paid out so many places....BUT....I'd rather be at a tournament with 20 players than one with 8 players any day, regardless of prize support. And if it takes paying out multiple places to get more people to come, then I'll swallow my competitive greed in favor of seeing more people show up at an event. I think you guys should mix and match them. There are some great winner-take-all events (like boss battles) and stuff that I'd be glad to host or show you guys how to run; I've done more than my share of running events and prefer to play than judge, but I'd be happy to help.

Anyway - that's my advice on building a player base to expand your tournament participation. Make the tournaments more attractive and able to be participated in by a greater variety of players.

our TO said it will be army builder format. we had too many people come in and win past tourneys, (especially 'ARD BOYZ) with bogus cheating lists . remember the guy with the all SM bike army story? anything else when you come down this area you take it up with him. he just asked me as a favor to relay this message for him to get something going.

What was wrong with the all bike list? As I recall the local beakie player up here was the only all bike list at the Ard Boyz your shop had last year. And one of your local IG players won that tournament.

nothing wrong with an all bike list. as far as the IG player winning, he never went to the semi-finals. he just wasted a slot for someone else to go, and it pi***d us all off.

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The problem with the all biker army at ard boyz was that he had 2 squads of sternguard veterans on bikes with heavy flamers. You tell me what's wrong with that.

Without a beakie codex in front of me I couldn't tell you. The only thing I see wrong is your attitude.

Lol. That's the problem, no one checks, you don't know I didn't know and that's why he cheated and won and robbed me of my ard boyz spot. That's my attitude, learn all the details before passing judgement.


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Dispute the slander that has been thrown at me, this thread is about slackers tournament. Any comments aimed at individuals or policy's of slackers should not be brought up on this three, please take it up with the individual or slackers management. If anyone wishes to contact me please email evil_chris_p69@yahoo.com and I will gladly discuss anything anyone would like to chat about, thank you.


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Hey toxic it was your biker army that took 3rd at slackers right?

nope, I was the battlewagon spam ork player.

two squads of sternguard on bikes? i highly doubt that happened. but lets say that it DID. You are playing in an Ard Boys tournament, you obviously know your stuff around the table to be SO close to winning, and you LET someone pull a sterngaurd on bikes unit on you? You robbed yourself of your spot if that happened. You put yourself in an environment where you should know what armys can and cannot do, if he did cheat, you allowed it by not being prepared.

Then toxic I don't understand we all laughed and flaked before hand and got along, where did this attitude come from? I was the one who let you guys know the tournament moved up in time, if I wouldn't have none of you would have played. Toxic I have no issue with you. This whole. Thing has gotten crazy, the ard boyz thing. Upset me but it is past I was just explaining why slackers has a army builder and codex rule, it keeps honest people honest.

ork_defiler666 wrote: a army builder and codex rule, it keeps honest people honest.

Actually, it doesn't. In thirty seconds I could roll back to a version of AB's 40k database that makes HWT in infantry squads cost 5 points less. I'd have free mortars and 5 point HB in each squad. In a night's time, I could have datafiles to make a list so shaved down pointwise that you'd never know the difference and it would 'check out' on the validation report that's at the end of your army builder. What you're saying is "computers never lie". Not the case.

Requiring Army Builder actually makes it LESS honest in my mind, because it encourages people to accept what they see at face value. Think about it.

This whole thread is really none of my business as I live 2000 miles away...

However, I've personally seen bugs in Army Builder and I don't think the license is worth the price, so I stopped using it a while ago. I formatted a spreadsheet in Excel for my army lists and I've never had any problems with it in any of my games... I've actually gotten compliments that my Excel format is easier to read than some of the Army Builder lists.

IMO- If a tournament organizer wants to question a list or the points total, than what he really needs to do is sit down with the army list and the codex and add it up.

I too think requiring Army Builder is a bad idea. It's imposing an additional entry cost on people who don't normally use it. It does have the occasional mistake. And it's relatively easy to edit an AB file to cheat, if that's what you're trying to do.

The better option is just what all the big tournaments do- require army lists to be printed (not handwritten) and to clearly list all the individual point costs and upgrades. This allows people to use AB if they want to, or not if they don't, but still achieves the goal of making sure army lists are reasonably clear and easy to read.

If you want to make sure lists are legal, the easiest route is to either a) require pre-submission and check them, or b) let the players know you'll be spot-checking them on the day (with a codex), and that if a list turns out to be illegal they'll be penalized or disqualified at the TO's discretion depending on how badly they were off.

@ orkdefiler666:
I have no attitude. I know the guy in question, and while he is alot of things, a cheat is not one of them. A buddy of mine was being talked about, and I wanted to know specifics. It has been my experience that if you travel to a tournament and do good the locals will claim you are a cheat or a powergamer to make themselves feel better about being beat by an out of towner, You can find some of that nonsense here on dakka without looking very hard,
At the Ardboyz at slackerz, I went 2-1 and placed 4th. I only lost to the winner of the tournament. I missed out on going to the next round, but more importantly, I got 3 good games against 3 good opponents, so in the end, I came out a winner.
And don't feel bad, dashofpepper beat my ass at our tournament last weekend as well.

beat your ass? i didnt even think you showed up! AHAHAH